Anti Dementors, Assemble!

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I think I finished the last thread by accident...

@Springersrock I'm also in a tourist area and every time I say this nobody ever has an answer. It's not suddenly become a national holiday. We're still supposed to be working where possible, and there are a lot of people who are really worried about money. I dunno where the tourist dementors think all this cash and time is suddenly going to come from. I do not believe they're giving petrol away with big hugs now. I mean, there is a good chance my DH is gonna take my DS to the beach at the end of this week. And I will not be able to go. I'm working. I can't work from the beach. Some bugger would notice if I disappeared for four hours.....

Tbh the government could keep people safe from most hazards if they put them under house arrest, banned tobacco/alcohol and only supplied them with high fibre super foods, a home gym and WiFi... but it still wouldn’t be ethical or affordable

The fatality rate for children is higher with seasonal flu than with covid. Mine didn’t get the flu vaccines until January this year and I certainly wasn’t keeping them locked in the house until then, so I can’t imagine why I’d do it for this once schools and nurseries start to go back.

There does seem to have been a resurgence of “there’s never going to be a vaccine” dementoring recently, anyone else noticed? I’m content that researchers seem pretty optimistic that there will be but what do I know.

Well I've just had an in the flesh dementoring.

I was running down what's a normal route, with parked cars to the side of the pavement I was on and a wide grass verge on the other, it's normally not a bad route as there's plenty of space.

I become aware of a woman in front of me, walking towards me, screeching "space". As I passed her she actually spread her arms out to make it more difficult for me to get past (how this is helping social distancing I do not know) and shouted at me that I should be aware of space.

I replied back that she could always walk on the grass, and got called stupid. I swore back at her and now feel a bit bad as I don't normally swear at randoms and do make every effort to not go people who are infirm, have a child who might cycle or run unpredictably or so on.

Who the fuck walks towards someone shouting at them to get out the way when they could just make a minor change to direction themselves? Aarrrrgh.

That annoys me- why do they think it's the other person who has to do all the work of giving 'space' not just use their common sense and move themselves if they are so worried!

Some people are just so entitled

@orangeblossom78 - this thing has been an eye opener for how many people just really hate runners, cyclists and kids and are using it to put the boot in.

Yes, my DH is a runner and he has had lots of abuse

Rubbish isn't it. And yes we had it with the DC too...

interesting to read how Sweden got dementored a bit by the Guardian paper here en.wikipedia.org/wiki/COVID-19_pandemic_in_Sweden

saying it was 'business as normal' when it isn'a at all just not a 'lockdown'

Example here of some things they are doing- I think the young people seem less anxious and scared than here by the sounds of it. www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/newsbeat-52618788/coronavirus-how-sweden-is-keeping-its-pubs-and-bars-open

You can see from the data they are 'flattening the curve' as well, but again it is that black and white thing of people thinking one thing is 'wrong'- need a balance don't we. I think it would be good if we could move to something like this in the longer term for our sanity

Some people are just so entitled

DD was riding her pony down a bridle way when someone marching down the middle of it kept screeching “move over!” The bridle way is really wide so they could have stepped to the side and there would still have been more than 2 metres room, but no, they expected DD to take her pony through a load of bushes so they could walk down the middle of it.

I got real life dementored last night. Out walking the dog round the block before bed where we came across someone sitting on one of those BT broadband/telephone line cabinet things, it’s set back in an overgrown hedge, plus it was dark so I couldn’t even see her. We were still about 4 metres away when she started screeching “2 metres away”. I’m like “you really expect me to walk in the road so you can carry on sitting there??”

We need a good response to this shouting etc

I honestly think Sweden have got it right. Yes they've still had deaths and yes they'll still have a recession BUT they likely will not have a mental health crisis on top. Their children will likely have better long term outcomes as well in my non professional opinion.

They'll also find it much easier to get back to normal than for instance New Zealand who have done an excellent job in stamping it out but... Their borders are totally closed and that will change sooner or later I guess?

We had just the same couple sat on a bench by the path expecting me and the DCs to go into the road, they ended up jumping into the road and shouting at me that we were 'shocking' so what did they sit by the path for?

Can I ask a question?
The percentage of tests which have been negative is very high. And this is mostly from a time when people were only tested if there was a clinical reason to think they had Covid-19, and were in hospital (I know that's changed now). I've been asking this for weeks & I know some are false negatives & some are repeats before people leave hospital but nevertheless a high proportion of the people tested are negative. So presumably most be of those people who "are sure" they had it last year etc, didn't. I've been banging on about this for weeks but no-one ever mentioned it.
Maybe this is for the stats threads?
My patronus is a giant African land snail. Slow, but with a big appetite and an occasionally delicate shell.
PS that 3% thread

I just want to clarify that I wasn't trying to bash teachers in my last post I think most people if not everyone here got that but just want to make sure. They do an incredibly difficult job - like I said on the last thread, I left because it was too much stress. I know some teachers who are considering a career change after this, not because of covid fears but because working from home they're doing a normal 40 hour week and have realised how much difference it makes to their work-life balance compared to the 50-60 hours they would normally do in term time. So I'm not at all accusing them of being lazy, I just think it's short-sighted to focus 100% on the very low risk of going back in the next month vs the entire rest of our careers. My worry comes from the fact that the education system has already been crippled by cuts, and the coming crisis is only going to make all of our working conditions even worse than they already are.

Orangeblossom the thing is a lot of people do train as teachers, especially in the shortage subjects where there are very generous tax-free training bursaries. A lot of them don't stick around once they realise how ridiculous the workload is in most schools - I think the statistic is a 50% dropout rate in the first five years of teaching. And I can only see that getting worse over the next few years if more cutbacks are made.

@PineappleDanish I'm a former science teacher - if there's anything I can do to help with the Highers stuff let me know This thread has been preserving my sanity so it's the least I can do.

@Smilethoyourheartisbreaking it really drives me nuts that people think lockdown is going to cure this virus.
All I see everywhere is people saying they won't be sending their kids back to be an experiment it's ludicrous they do realise September they will go back anyway and it's still going to be there in boggled by people right now.

Yes for all the talk of care homes etc that is true of other countries as well UK, Spain, plenty of places have the same even with lockdown so that is not something which has been changed much by it has it.

It says 93% of deaths there with significant underlying conditions and the majority in the elderly. Similar to other places too. And it has not spiralled out of control

I wonder if they are more capable of behaving with common sense though given the reaction here to 'not understanding' the basics here...unfortunately. We have become spoon fed and frightened

I'm reassured I'm not the only one this has happened to, although it is horrible. It sounds like there's some sort of online group encouraging people to shout at other people?

I'm also wondering if there's some sort of jealously at work re: people doing forms of exercise other than walking outside. I mean, Christ knows I'm not Paula Radcliffe, but I do get a bit of a "who do they think they are, running/horse riding/cycling/swimming in the sea when people are DYING" vibe about these stories.

I came on here to post something I thought might make people smile, but having caught up with 14 pages of posts it now doesn't feel appropriate. I'm so sad and sorry that so many of you are feeling so down, I thought (hoped) it was just me...while I'm not actually suicidal (I'm not brave enough, for a start), I do go to bed thinking that if something was to happen and I didn't wake up, that would be fine.
One of the things that annoys me most is this attitude that any other cause of death is...if not ok, at least acceptable. As long as it's not CV, that's all right. Yet there are diseases out there that are far worse, with a higher mortality, that are missing out on treatments.
I can't do social distancing for another year. I can't.
(Incidentally, if my posts come across as clunky, or rude, or insensitive...I'm really sorry. I have Aspergers, and I misjudge things badly sometimes).

I still haven't been dementored out in the real world yet, thank God. Actually feeling quite proud of the sanity of my neighbourhood when I hear some people on MN! plenty of common sense and no obvious piss taking (big house parties etc).

I've probably jinxed it now, haven't I?

I’m not really sure what is supposed to change between now and September. The virus will still be here.

If there is a second peak as a result of kids going back to school, it makes more sense to me for that peak to be in the summer when the NHS is better placed to cope with it, than for it to arrive just as the NHS are looking at heading into winter flu season.

Our hospital is always on black alert on and off over the winter. It doesn’t seem very clever to add a second peak into the mix

Yes psychopath I left teaching myself due to that and the stress and politics of it all. So I know what you mean

Oh, another thing, the app. It reminded me when mentioned how many negatives in testing - for the UK app it is triggered when people report symptoms not have a positive test. Hence the possibility of it going off all the time with people not having to test positive. Maybe me think twice about it.

why are the unis looking at teaching online until Xmas

And if they think getting all the students at uni will cause a surge of cases why do they think it's a good idea to do that in January, flu season, rather than October?

zoid oh no please feel free to post something to cheer us up! I'm not sure anyone would feel that inappropriate!

Totally agree with everything you've said. I can't do it for another year either.