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Should NHS staff go ahead in queues?

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JustOneLastThing · 07/05/2020 23:03

I have only done it once, and got some evil looks from the others queuing. It was my only day off and was knackered and needed some essentials so thought 'just this once'-might not do it again!
It sort of felt like all the clapping in the world and rainbows doesn't mean much in the real world, but I might be a bit more careful about waving my lanyard around in the future (and yes, i'm frontline ward NHS staff working on covid wards fwiw).
Any thoughts from others very welcome.

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Waxonwaxoff0 · 09/05/2020 06:46

Yes they should, I've got no issue with it at all. I'm on furlough and had to queue for an hour on Thursday, I've got no issue with it at all, not like I've got anything better to do.

ChasingRainbows19 · 09/05/2020 06:58

I've used the early NHS half hour at ALDI but I've queued the rest of the time. I can't bring myself to flash the badge past loads of people...

It's strange tho there does seem to be more and more grumbling around the NHS perks recently. I've barely used any and most NHS staff never actually asked for them to be given. We work hard year in year out because that's what we chose to do although the recognition was nice.

I agree other front line workers esp care home workers should receive the same if not more as their wages are so low. Mines not amazing but least I get a pension and good annual leave.

ChasingRainbows19 · 09/05/2020 07:08

Also in response to hospitals being quiet....my trust was only quiet as they arranged 50+ extra beds, non urgent surgery cancelled (urgent have been sent to private hospitals) cancelled loads of activity and visitors too to make way for COVID. We became busy over peak. Then quieter: we still had patients though.

Now lots of wards are near to capacity without covid, covid wards still busy. Critical care calmer but still patients very sick. Some Covid patients take a long time to get well post infection.

Our A&E while not normal is now picking you the last two weeks and some of the less urgent ( gp could see) cases are rolling back in. Plans are ongoing to restart what we can while keeping everyone safe Infection control and social distancing etc . That's not easy.
So actually a lot of us are working hard.

Sandybval · 09/05/2020 07:12

Our A&E while not normal is now picking you the last two weeks and some of the less urgent ( gp could see) cases are rolling back in.

That sounds very frustrating, if there were to be any positive to this at all I would have hoped it was people realising what is appropriate use of A&E, sad that it's not. Also, even if some are quieter, surely does having to take the extra precautions, wearing PPE, testing etc take more time anyway? So although less patients, the same or more time with other stuff?

Letsnodothisplease · 09/05/2020 07:22

My job in mental health saves lives daily, also my colleagues in care homes are under increasing risk and having to work long hours. Why do we all not get to skip the queue, but my relative in admin for the NHS does?

Oh, that's right. People who work for the NHS are sainted and perfect, and immune from criticism. They're certainly not people who managed to get a job with a relatively well paid and secure employer, and in normal times enjoy many perks.
I'd work for the NHS too, but they decided to contract my role out to a private company. How does that make my work less worthy?

ChasingRainbows19 · 09/05/2020 07:24

@Sandybval yeah exactly we are wearing PPE to protect all patients we have contact with. Taking it on and off with each one adds another few mins.
A 12 hour day wearing that in the now warm weather def makes you more tired. I was a sweaty mess yesterday and had to drink much more to rehydrate when I got home.

Letsnodothisplease · 09/05/2020 07:39

Sorry, I just needed to let some frustration with the situation out. Front line staff should be allowed to queue jump. Carers and medical staff, NHS and private. Not admin or the IT staff.
And stop sainting normal people. It only backfires when they can't live up to the impossible standard.

Mlou32 · 09/05/2020 07:40

No, I don't think we should. Many others work and are knackered at the end of a working day. Many of those people can't be bothered to stand in a queue; let's face it, who does?

Despite some shops allowing NHS queue jumping, I'll be standing in a socially distanced queue like everyone else.

Maybelatte · 09/05/2020 09:18

No, definitely not.

megladon2020 · 09/05/2020 09:25

I'm NHS worker though not front line. I think this was a great idea at the start when queues were massive but any where I go to - Tesco , Aldi, m&s there are no queues or if there are it's a few people. I just stand in line like the others because I can and I should.

Babymamaroon · 09/05/2020 09:36

I am happy for NHS workers to go to the front of the queue.

I'm still working full time, kids at home and am shattered. But I'm not out dicing with Covid every day.

Hagisonthehill · 09/05/2020 09:51

I wouldn't have the nerve.
Anyway the shops are better now,I go after 6pm,no queues and everything I need except flour.A proper list and a weekly shop Thames 20mins.
Just a question for the op,where do you work that a nurse is allowed to wear a lanyard.Most hospitals have banned lanyards due to infection control in front line staff.

Sandybval · 09/05/2020 09:52

People who work for the NHS are sainted and perfect, and immune from criticism. They're certainly not people who managed to get a job with a relatively well paid and secure employer, and in normal times enjoy many perks.
I'd work for the NHS too, but they decided to contract my role out to a private company. How does that make my work less worthy

That's not their fault though is it, that's part of a much larger issue with contracting out of services. Plus don't be fooled into thinking that the 'sainting' of them is for their benefit, it isn't.

stayclosetoyourself · 09/05/2020 10:59

Agree. A lot if the problem is that it's a bit simplistic and can seem unfair to some. I'm all for fairness abd think anyone stretched in a caring role or doing nights etc should be able to not queue if they really need it that day.
Equally if you are ok that day or don't feel the need at all as you have other support, not exhausted or whatever, don't take advantage of the offer.

stayclosetoyourself · 09/05/2020 11:01

Including those with dependent children in lockdown.

SauvignonBlanche · 09/05/2020 11:07

I’m surprised to hear that @LadyofTheManners, every time I’ve used the NHS only slot at the supermarket, including this morning, my ID badge has been properly scrutinised. A man in Aldi told me last week that they’d seen fakes. Angry

I couldn’t get something in Morrison’s this morning so had to go to Aldi for one thing. I’m on a day off so joined the queue which was mercifully short as it was so early.

As I got to the front I thought that I’d feel disgruntled if an off duty NHS staff member went in front of me but how would I know?

CakeAndGin · 09/05/2020 11:12

No because other frontline key workers, who are working equally long shifts and putting themselves at the same risk, are not getting the same preferential treatment. A prison guard, bus driver or retail staff are probably actually at more risk than frontline NHS at the moment as they don’t have the PPE to protect them. There is no ‘lie detector’ section at the front of the supermarket or before people get on the bus to make sure anyone with symptoms goes to the right place or to stop them coming in. You can’t wipe a bus down after each customer. These people are also working extra hours - there are staff shortages up and down the country in every industry. These people aren’t getting freebies, they are having to homeschool their children and will still have caring responsibilities. The fact that care workers are completely ignored in all this hero worship for our carers is astonishing. These workers are dealing with the same stuff that frontline Covid-19 NHS are but they are also likely dealing with dementia and additional care needs, not to mention the mental health of all their residents who have not been allowed visitors since before lockdown started.

I have no problem letting people queue jump. Before lockdown, I have let paramedics, police officers jump in front of me. I’ve also let people who have had a handful of items jump in front. During lockdown, I’ve let a few elderly people in front of me - because in my eyes, they should be minimising the time they spend out. However, when we create a rule that allows one group in all the time, we become inclined to stop letting those other groups in front of us. Plus where do we draw the line? We let all the frontline key workers queue jump. What about those that have mobility issues (obviously within that we have hidden disabilities too)? Heavily pregnant? Vulnerable or shielding but cannot get delivery slots? What about those who are at home carers? This becomes a long list of people who can queue jump and queue jumping becomes somewhat irrelevant. We haven’t even got into the fact that men, BAME and obese people are all at greater risk (although queue jumping for any of those groups isn’t going to be well received). Plus those who can’t provide evidence (hidden disabilities, at home carers) or those that don’t fit in those categories and going to get pissed off at waiting outside for hours while everyone else gets to go ahead of them.

Also, the hero worshipping of the NHS. Honestly, it isn’t the only industry that is working hard at the moment. I think it’s also ridiculous to say that clinical staff should queue jump but admin staff shouldn’t. Admin staff at the NHS will be working hard too. They might not be seeing death of patients but who do you think is sourcing the PPE for the frontline staff? Who do you think is making sure that the NHS bills are paid so they can keep getting medications/equipment for patients. Who do you think are making sure our frontline NHS workers are getting paid? I’m sure there will be some areas that are quiet but it’s likely these staff have been redeployed. The hero worship of the NHS, and those that bask in it, means that it’s a higher fall from grace when you do fall. The British public are fickle and have short memories. In 5 years time, when Covid-19 has done one and either someone has made a genuine mistake or a relative isn’t happy with the outcome, this will be thrown back in their face. Abuse of NHS workers won’t go away after this.

I think a lot of people are working hard at this moment. Some are at home, some aren’t. Some are key workers and some aren’t. IT workers in many industries are not classed as key workers but how many of us could actually work from home without our IT department? I think it’s unfair to assume that is only the NHS affected and working hard at the moment. For those who aren’t working at the moment, who to quote a PP, have nothing better to do, their mental health has taken a big hit to allow us to flatten the curve so the NHS can cope.

To answer PP’s - no I don’t clap for the NHS. It doesn’t mean I’m not grateful for them but I disagree with the hero worship and I think there are better ways to show your appreciation - not parking in staff bays when you visit the hospital, not shouting at staff when you don’t get the answer you want, thanking staff even if it isn’t the outcome you want. I’m not a tory voter, I’m a floating voter and have probably voted for every major party other than UKIP at some point in local and general elections. I have not voted tory in the previous two general elections, at least but maybe longer.

Hagisonthehill · 09/05/2020 11:22

I haven't met a single nhs worker that does any basking

Terralee · 09/05/2020 11:24

I'm frontline nhs & never would go to the front of the queue at Tesco as I think it's wrong & would really piss people off.

stayclosetoyourself · 09/05/2020 11:30

No basking or taking fir granted here.
I think it was granted as the frontline clinical staff are eating the brunt of increased and uncertain / changing hours as needed, working in tiring PPE and physical and emotional exhaustion. Normal rotas and hours extended on voluntary goodwill basis. Thus is fine and up to us up to a point but the goodwill back was to ease that extra work.
It may not be fair in all instances though. I know for me I haven't jumped a queue but have been once to the dedicated hour at the start.

SauvignonBlanche · 09/05/2020 11:32

The hero worship of the NHS, and those that bask in it, means that it’s a higher fall from grace when you do fall. The British public are fickle and have short memories.

Fucking charming but sadly true. All my unpaid overtime and home-working in my days off are already forgotten. Overtime isn’t allowed in my role/band.

ilovemydogandmrobama2 · 09/05/2020 11:44

It will be really tricky for the supermarkets now to withdraw putting NHS staff as a priority, and my guess is that it will stay in place.

Hagisonthehill · 09/05/2020 11:45

In the beginning it was hard as all our duties oils be changed at the drop of a hat as we filled gaps in the rota.I have a teen to feed and there was,/is little food that can be bought at work so you try to shop after work from empty shelves.
It's settled a bit now and I mostly get my days off unchanged ,the supermarkets are stocked so I can do a full weeks shop.
It's not a competition to see who's having a tougher time,,/more deserving.

EnthusiasmIsDisturbed · 09/05/2020 11:49

No because other frontline key workers, who are working equally long shifts and putting themselves at the same risk, are not getting the same preferential treatment

No we are not. Many will have PPE when dealing directly with people (care setting/residential/community nursing) but they are not only dealing with people with covid. We are not having to do procedures such as ventilation. We are not in confined spaces where covid virus is continually being expelled. We are not having to work in those awful space type suits for hours and hours at a time we are not dealing with battlig to save people’s lives of the very very seriously ill and high levels of death

Please do not claim all key workers are under the same pressure, that our shifts are as exhausting or as stressful it undermines the incredible work that so many are doing.

Careworkers are starting to get the recognition that they deserve. Many care homes are dealing with covid and under terrible conditions to work in that has been rightly reported in the media Myself and my colleagues (nhs) do recognise their work and have probably been more aware than most that they are often overlooked. Let’s hope that is rewarded with pay (that is mainly private companies)

NHS and some keyworkers get a to shop an hour earlier, have the odd discount (mine has worked out at about £15 saved this month in take always I can tell you now I have done at least 10x that in overtime in the past month that I shall not be paid) and the odd few ask to go to the front of the queue (have no seen that myself but would assume that they are frontline dealing with covid patients so really wouldn’t be bothered surprised anyone would)

JudyGemstone · 09/05/2020 12:13

I've been doing it, why the hell wouldn't I?

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