Boris and Carrie have had their baby

[boomchikawowwow]

I didn't realise she was due already. Baby boy born this morning!

Tony Blair’s children were all born in wedlock, weren’t they

Is that why he supported a cut to lone-parent benefits?

This thread is really deeply unpleasant.

*Tony Blair’s children were all born in wedlock, weren’t they

Is that why he supported a cut to lone-parent benefits?*

No idea, it does indicate a lack of the hypocrisy Johnson displays, though.

He's on record with his very low opinion of unmarried mothers

But presumably not when it involves his own family - political hypocrisy again, you see

However objectionable, at least "illegitimate's" better than the historic alternative, but in this context it's not the word that bothers me but the colossal double standards the defence of its use reveals. In particular I recall it being used to describe Alfie Evans and the howl of mass outrage which followed

There's nothing wrong with slating a politician over their job performance, but when it comes to families shouldn't the same MN guidelines apply to all?

it does indicate a lack of the hypocrisy Johnson displays

Hypocrisy is the wrong word -- he also wrote this in the same [1995] article;

"I blame male Tory MPs"...
"They have banged on about one parent families, while getting their research assistants pregnant; or they have been uncovered in French hotels sharing beds with other men; or that they have had their toes sucked"...

It was a satirical piece for The Spectator Magazine and ridicules everyone, even Tory MPs.

Don't think that some of the posters on here would understand satire...

Well this has all been a brilliant distraction from our staggeringly high death rate.

HalfTermHalfTerm
He's not divorced. Johnson and his wife reached a financial settlement paving the way for the divorce.
I'm sure the press will let us know when he is.
I do wish people would stop trying to make this man sound like he isn't a moral vacuum.

He's not divorced
Yes, I think he is - his ex wife was able to apply for a decree absolute end of Feb.

Doesn’t look much like satire to me.

I thought that illegitimate basically meant "not legally recognised".

Children are now though aren't they whether or not their parents are married?

Didn't it used to be the case that children born within a marriage were assumed to be the husband's & therefore his responsibility?

Not according to this dictionary

dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/illegitimate

satire - not forgetting the piece was written 25 years ago;

"the use of humour, irony, exaggeration, or ridicule to expose and criticize people's stupidity or vices, particularly in the context of contemporary politics and other topical issues."

Alsohuman why are you so determined to label this baby as illegitimate?

Alsohuman why are you so determined to label this baby as illegitimate?

Because he is. Why are you so determined to deny fact?

The poor woman

She's had a baby, she's not waited from a distance as family members have died, she's not had emails updating on how much closer to death they are, she's not being struggling for money or getting food for her family. She's not a poor woman. Her married lover has been in hospital, probably because he was stupid enough to go and see virus patients without protection and shook hands with them all. He's a fool and he has caused at least 50% of the situation she is in.

They adore him on GN and will round on anyone and rip the to shreds if they say otherwise. Vicious bitches.

The word illegitimate may carry some baggage - but afaik it is the term for a baby whose parents aren't married - for people are concerned about such things (people like Boris presumably.)
Its hardly a big deal - my 2 were.

I still can't understand why this thread is horrifying, sickening, the people on it so nasty and vile, deeply unpleasant and, my favourite, have 'wizened souls'.

She's had a baby, she's not waited from a distance as family members have died, she's not had emails updating on how much closer to death they are

She's had covid whilst heavily pregnant (or the baby was prem perhaps because of her infection) whilst her lover was in intensive care with a virus that is killing overweight men in their fifties at a fairly high rate, when the survival rate for anyone who ends up in intensive care isn't all that great

Yes, other people are going through worse. Poor them too.

I thought that illegitimate basically meant "not legally recognised".

Children are now though aren't they whether or not their parents are married?
Exactly. Children these days are legally recognised when the father admits paternity or when the husband does. So it is an archaic term with nasty connotations. I'm left wondering if some of you people have moved on at all in terms of how you label people from ethnic minorities, or people living with disabilities. The gransnet comment just added to the whole tone even more.

Alsohuman

why are you so determined to label this baby as illegitimate?

Because he is. Why are you so determined to deny fact?

Actually, illegitimacy has no basis in law whatsoever. So you’re talking total rubbish. Hope that fact helps!

Well yes, it might mean that the parents aren't married, but why would anyone want/need to point that out?

Bit like when people point out "the adopted child"-it's just irrelevant isn't it ?

She had Covid symptoms, she said she wasn't tested and isn't referring to him as her lover as bad as referring to her as his mistress unless you're from Cornwall when all and sundry can be your lover.

I thought it wasn't due for another month yet.

It's lovely news. A new baby is always a happy event.