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DP claims to want to stop drinking/smoking at his friends' but he constantly slips up, sobs & apologizes, then does it again.

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RixtonRails · 26/04/2020 21:37

Long story short- been with DP (he is mid-30s) just over a year. He used to be quite a smoker and heavy drinker yet has a lot of self awareness and has wanted to quit smoking and reduce his drinking for over a decade.

He used to idolize rock musicians and so followed their lifestyle in terms of smoking and drinking.

He said when he was younger he couldn't stand the smell of cigarette smoke, and even when he's quit for a while, he realises how gross it smells.

When we met just over a year ago, he told me he smokes but is trying to quit (and was chewing nicotine gum even that day).

Ever since then, he'd been chewing tons of nicotine gum and hardly ever actually smoking (he rarely even owns cigs) but most of his friends are heavy smokers and one in particular (nearly 40, unemployed, single father) is one he often hangs around and had known for a decade who lives closeby - which is where DP usually slips up (almost on a weekly basis, every time he has gone around). This friend is a chain smoker that smokes all day and night, hardly eats and just drinks booze all day, playing video games and watching TV all day, everyday.

DP used to say he got lonely as we didn't live together, which is why he'd often go around to this particular friend (who has all the time in the world as he's single) and that if during lockdown, I were to come and stay with him, he'd feel no need to fill the emotional void by going around there, etc. and DP weaned off the nicotine gum really well within a week and then went through a period of rolling up tobacco and putting it under his top lip which was a bit gross but he said it wouldn't be as harmful as smoking it and it's only a temporary/transitional thing but every 2 days or so, he'd slip up at around midnight, especially if he was tipsy and sitting outside in his garden, roll it up and take a drag, before throwing it away in disgust.

He'd ALWAYS be honest and confess to me without me even asking him. He has never once been deceitful about it.

Then, the other day he used a silly pointless excuse whilst out exercising to go to the home of afore mentioned friend (the chain smoking, unemployed one) for a beer (sat in his driveway). DP ended up smoking (he most often craves cigarettes when he is drunk - he says so himself). When he came home, he cried his eyes out telling me how disappointed he is in himself and showered and scrubbed and how he really wants to change and he hates how much this addiction is eating away at him.

After he slipped up those few times, he told me he would no longer buy rolling tobacco to put under his top lip and he would go properly cold turkey, which he managed successfully for 2 entire days and I praised him for how much of an achievement that is.

... yet today, he without telling me, went to his friend's place again on the way back from exercise (he said he kinda thought about it the last second as he was heading out so packed 2 beers with him). When he got back, he immediately had tears in his eyes. I asked him what's up? He was sobbing again and told me he went around to that friend's house and had a few beers and smoked some cigs off his friend. He said he didn't even really wanna see him but just went around as subconsciously he thinks he wanted a nicotine hit.

Again, he agreed with me when I was angry at him, he apologised, sobbed and begged me to carry on being strict with him (I said I'm getting tired of being the "nag" and he said his life depends on it and if he doesn't do it now, he'll never do it as he's never been in love with anyone as much as me) and that he's hugely TERRIFIED of dying as almost all of his male relatives have died of cancer (often associated with smoking and drinking and he seems to have a family history of male smokers and heavy drinkers).

I don't know what to do.

On the positive side, he's weaned off the nicotine gum successfully, doesn't own any tobacco and managed without for 2 days and has been totally honest when he's slipped up and keeps telling me he's always wanted to quit, willing to try therapies/services for it.

On the negative side, he's been trying to quit for over a decade (i.e. before he met me) and it's not worked, he has this huge affinity for that bad influence friend, he was deceptive to go to his friend's (even though he told me afterwards) AND worst of all, basically broke lockdown rules and put both of us at risk of covid just to feed his addiction... addicts always put their addiction before even the people they love rings true :(

I don't know what to do - he keeps telling me to be patient (as I've said I can't cope with all this forever) and he will change but how long to wait is reasonable? I am really patient with him, so supportive, encourage him when he's done well, try to empathize with him, I know he has to want it for himself and he keeps insisting he really really does and cries about the fact he has this addiction.

In every other way, we are such a good fit and he treats me so well (almost like a person treats their newborn child lol, always like I'm the most special thing in the world, completely faithful, caring, etc. but I just feel sad his addictions could be an ender for us.

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CheddarGorgeous · 26/04/2020 21:46

It all sounds so tedious and dull and angsty. He doesn't sound like a grown up person at all.

Isolises rock musicians? Unemployed druggie mates? Emotional voids? Yawn fucking yawn.

Okay for a fling in your early 20s but not a keeper.

RixtonRails · 26/04/2020 21:49

@CheddarGorgeous
Thanks for your comment. He said he used to idolize rock musicians which is why he got into smoking, drinking heavily, etc. but he's come to realize a lot of them end up dying alone, depressed and bankrupt.

From what I've written, he sounds like a total mess but he's very polar. He has these issues yet he's got a doctorate degree, a very good job, does all house chores really well, very knowledgeable, etc.

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KnobwithaK · 26/04/2020 21:54

Honestly, he sounds like one of my university boyfriends.. sooo much drama over giving up cigarettes.. tbh I think there was more to it (depression?) but it all got too much for me after a while. There is literally nothing you can do. It's up to him. And I wouldn't count on him sorting himself out any time soon. Sorry that's a bit bleak.

Just to be even more bleak - treating a partner like a newborn child also sounds like a red flag to me.. like you're on a pedestal and will one day fall off..

Of course there's the possibility that I'm massively projecting..

MissHoskins · 26/04/2020 22:00

His crying and apologising means nothing. He's an addict. You can't stop him, he has to make a choice, either he stops smoking and drinking or he doesn't. There literally is nothing that you can do to help.
He doesn't want to stop.
I've stopped smoking, I smoked for 46 years, I don't smoke anymore, I'll never smoke again, the freedom is incredible and extraordinarily liberating. I no longer have to hide away and smoke, I no longer stink, I didn't realise until I stopped how much smoking absolutely stinks.
He has to want to stop for himself, until he does there's nothing you can do.

CheddarGorgeous · 26/04/2020 22:02

But he's not a grown up emotionally. So much angst about quitting cigarettes. Crying? Really? Emotional void if you're not there to fill his time and preventing temptation to smoke and drink with his mate? Lying and crying again? How is any of this attractive?

mollyblack · 26/04/2020 22:08

Ugh, this is not going to sort itself. I speak from experience when I say don't get involved with an addict, you'll not be able to fix them, he needs to sort this himself if he really wants to, leave him to it.

AutumnCrow · 26/04/2020 22:09

Seriously, how can you even be arsed with this boring loser? He's such a faker.

Please please work on your self-esteem. And bin him off asap.

Timeslikethese2020 · 26/04/2020 22:15

I certainly wouldn’t be staying with him during this period.

merryhouse · 26/04/2020 22:18

Just go home.

You didn't cause this, and you can't cure it. He doesn't want to give up - either the smoking and drinking or the self-indulgent draaaaaaama.

He'll stop if and when he wants to. Until then, he's just making your life very unenjoyable. You aren't obliged to allow that.

PerkyPomPoms · 26/04/2020 22:24

Too much drama! And he has shifted the responsibility for fixing this onto you - not a keeper

skybluee · 26/04/2020 23:16

When I read your post I felt sad, the bit about him crying his eyes out - I disagree with the others, I think he does really want to change.

What about him using nicotine patches - so he has a base level of nicotine in his system - could that prevent him from smoking?
He needs to quit drinking if that's what leads to smoking.
Find something else to do instead of seeing the friend that drinks/smokes all day. Way too much temptation to go around there at the moment.

The way he treats you sounds nice, I wouldn't throw away a relationship over this, honestly I wouldn't. Everyone has their issues. It would be different if he treated you badly, but it just sounds like he's struggling.

randomguy12 · 26/04/2020 23:25

He wants to change 100%, but he’s finding it difficult to, like all addicts.

Maybe try some counselling, but I think the posts here are extremely unfair - he’s trying to change and get past it but it’s so so hard

Shamoo · 26/04/2020 23:44

He would be better staying on the gum for longer if that keeps him off the cigarettes.

That said, it does sound very tedious. He is avoiding responsibility by putting it on you, and creating stress and drama for you with a situation that is not in your control. I would personally tell him enough is enough: you aren’t going to be his mum and tell him what he can and cannot do, but if the drama continues you will walk away.

Is his smoking a deal breaker for you?

lifestooshort123 · 27/04/2020 06:50

I don't think the issue is his smoking and drinking (you may not like him doing it but they're both legal and he's not a 40-a-day man), it's that he involves you in his struggle and disappointment. This is his choice and it is unfair of him to dump the negativity on you and I think it is unfair of you to be angry with him over it. Perhaps you could tell him that it's nothing to do with you so please don't bring his anguish home? Tell him he's an adult and it's up to him if he smokes or drinks - you've tried helping but it's not doing you any favours is it? MOH has smoked for 50 years and has tried to give up many times. He's admitted it will probably never happen and apart from him agreeing to never smoke indoors or in my car I just let him get on with it. Is your boyfriend a keeper apart from this? If it's a yes then just distance yourself from it and dwell on the good bits. Good luck.

userabcname · 27/04/2020 07:00

Why is it your job to control this? If he's so scared of dying from cancer then it's up to him to knock the smoking on the head. You've only been with him a year and suddenly it's up to you to sort out a life-long addiction! That's totally unreasonable. I'd tell him, like pp said, that as he is an adult it is up to him if and when he drinks and smokes and to please leave you out of it. I'd stop asking him about it, berating him, praising him and so forth. If he comes home crying because he's smoked I'd remain very cool and non-committal ("did you? Oh well, what's done is done") and not give it head space any longer. Women are not rehabilitation centres for men.

PippaPegg · 27/04/2020 07:01

Wow how boring he is.

And who keeps going to see a friend who drinks all day and doesn't eat, and just drinks with them and doesn't help them?!

What about you OP? What about your hobbies and interests? Your plans for the future?

Sounds like you're not allowed any. All emotional effort, conversations, future planning revolves around HIM and HIS VERY IMPORTANT ISSUES.

He's never going to put you first and neither will you. Get rid. You'll be doing you both a favour.

SunshineCake · 27/04/2020 07:05

Sorry but I couldn't be bothered to read all that. What you do is dump his pathetic arse. When you are with someone it should be because you love all of them and they are a decent person all of the time.

He cries to manipulate you. He does something that could kill him, etc etc

BovvyDazz · 27/04/2020 07:07

On smoking... cold turkey unlikely to work; it hasn’t in the last 10 years. He’d be better taking up vamping to satisfy his cravings.

This does sound hard work though, all the crying and angst. You need to tell him that stops.

crochetandshit · 27/04/2020 07:11

DP used to say he got lonely as we didn't live together, which is why he'd often go around to this particular friend (who has all the time in the world as he's single) and that if during lockdown, I were to come and stay with him, he'd feel no need to fill the emotional void by going around there, etc

He's very neatly made this your issue to fix.
He said that if you do x, he will no longer do y.
This has turned out not to be true, and it sounds like he is an alcoholic so it will be really fucking hard and tbh, really fucking unlikely that he can give up just because you now live there and this will be your life now.

Can you move back to where you were?

AgnesNaismith · 27/04/2020 07:12

You need to step out of the role as counsellor and tell him he needs to get some outside help.

GenXer · 27/04/2020 08:08

A few red flags here OP:

  1. Idolising rock stars and mimicking their behaviours - So he doesn't have a sense of his self identity. We might do this in our teens and 20's but we grow up and discover our own values.
  2. All the drama over giving up smoking - seriously? Having done it myself I know it's hard initially but it's not worth all the angst and energy he's draining from you. He sounds immature at the very least.
  3. Treating you like a newborn baby - can't you be treated like the adult you really are?
  4. He gets lonely and has to visit smoking/drinking friend - sounds like he's angling for you to move him in with you, don't do it OP!

If he's been trying for a decade and still can't stop then I can't see it happening. A smoker has got to really want to stop, their head has to be in the right place and that includes stopping behaviours which go with the habit - seeing certain friends and going to places where habit has been enjoyed.

It appears to me that he does this to test you. To see what your reaction will be, whether you still love him.
If it wasn't smoking there'd be something else.
If you were my daughter I'd be concerned.

Glowcat · 27/04/2020 08:20

This just sounds wrong. All the drama around smoking cigarettes? Him crying to you about it? He’s not a child, you’re not his mother or his confessor. It doesn’t sound like an adult relationship. Cigarettes are the least of your problems.

Crinkle77 · 27/04/2020 08:31

He doesn't really want to give up. He's only doing it because you want him to. He reacts the way he does because he knows you'll be angry with him. You need to decide if you can put up with the odd slip up and is it really a big deal if he has the occasional ciggy after a drink?

Clutterbugsmum · 27/04/2020 08:32

I'd leave and go back to my home.

I'd also tell him to grow the fuck, and stop apologising for something that he has no intention of doing.

He has no intention of stopping smoking or drinking. He knows full well going to see this 'friend' will lead to him smoking and drinking and that more important to him then you.

GreyishDays · 27/04/2020 08:36

There’s also the alcohol. You say he’s been trying to cut down for a decade. How is that going?

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