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DP claims to want to stop drinking/smoking at his friends' but he constantly slips up, sobs & apologizes, then does it again.

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RixtonRails · 26/04/2020 21:37

Long story short- been with DP (he is mid-30s) just over a year. He used to be quite a smoker and heavy drinker yet has a lot of self awareness and has wanted to quit smoking and reduce his drinking for over a decade.

He used to idolize rock musicians and so followed their lifestyle in terms of smoking and drinking.

He said when he was younger he couldn't stand the smell of cigarette smoke, and even when he's quit for a while, he realises how gross it smells.

When we met just over a year ago, he told me he smokes but is trying to quit (and was chewing nicotine gum even that day).

Ever since then, he'd been chewing tons of nicotine gum and hardly ever actually smoking (he rarely even owns cigs) but most of his friends are heavy smokers and one in particular (nearly 40, unemployed, single father) is one he often hangs around and had known for a decade who lives closeby - which is where DP usually slips up (almost on a weekly basis, every time he has gone around). This friend is a chain smoker that smokes all day and night, hardly eats and just drinks booze all day, playing video games and watching TV all day, everyday.

DP used to say he got lonely as we didn't live together, which is why he'd often go around to this particular friend (who has all the time in the world as he's single) and that if during lockdown, I were to come and stay with him, he'd feel no need to fill the emotional void by going around there, etc. and DP weaned off the nicotine gum really well within a week and then went through a period of rolling up tobacco and putting it under his top lip which was a bit gross but he said it wouldn't be as harmful as smoking it and it's only a temporary/transitional thing but every 2 days or so, he'd slip up at around midnight, especially if he was tipsy and sitting outside in his garden, roll it up and take a drag, before throwing it away in disgust.

He'd ALWAYS be honest and confess to me without me even asking him. He has never once been deceitful about it.

Then, the other day he used a silly pointless excuse whilst out exercising to go to the home of afore mentioned friend (the chain smoking, unemployed one) for a beer (sat in his driveway). DP ended up smoking (he most often craves cigarettes when he is drunk - he says so himself). When he came home, he cried his eyes out telling me how disappointed he is in himself and showered and scrubbed and how he really wants to change and he hates how much this addiction is eating away at him.

After he slipped up those few times, he told me he would no longer buy rolling tobacco to put under his top lip and he would go properly cold turkey, which he managed successfully for 2 entire days and I praised him for how much of an achievement that is.

... yet today, he without telling me, went to his friend's place again on the way back from exercise (he said he kinda thought about it the last second as he was heading out so packed 2 beers with him). When he got back, he immediately had tears in his eyes. I asked him what's up? He was sobbing again and told me he went around to that friend's house and had a few beers and smoked some cigs off his friend. He said he didn't even really wanna see him but just went around as subconsciously he thinks he wanted a nicotine hit.

Again, he agreed with me when I was angry at him, he apologised, sobbed and begged me to carry on being strict with him (I said I'm getting tired of being the "nag" and he said his life depends on it and if he doesn't do it now, he'll never do it as he's never been in love with anyone as much as me) and that he's hugely TERRIFIED of dying as almost all of his male relatives have died of cancer (often associated with smoking and drinking and he seems to have a family history of male smokers and heavy drinkers).

I don't know what to do.

On the positive side, he's weaned off the nicotine gum successfully, doesn't own any tobacco and managed without for 2 days and has been totally honest when he's slipped up and keeps telling me he's always wanted to quit, willing to try therapies/services for it.

On the negative side, he's been trying to quit for over a decade (i.e. before he met me) and it's not worked, he has this huge affinity for that bad influence friend, he was deceptive to go to his friend's (even though he told me afterwards) AND worst of all, basically broke lockdown rules and put both of us at risk of covid just to feed his addiction... addicts always put their addiction before even the people they love rings true :(

I don't know what to do - he keeps telling me to be patient (as I've said I can't cope with all this forever) and he will change but how long to wait is reasonable? I am really patient with him, so supportive, encourage him when he's done well, try to empathize with him, I know he has to want it for himself and he keeps insisting he really really does and cries about the fact he has this addiction.

In every other way, we are such a good fit and he treats me so well (almost like a person treats their newborn child lol, always like I'm the most special thing in the world, completely faithful, caring, etc. but I just feel sad his addictions could be an ender for us.

OP posts:
babbi · 27/04/2020 08:38

Don’t waste any more of your time with this man.
He needs to get his act together .
As PP said .. women are not rehabilitation centres for men .
This is draining you and life is too short .
You sound loving and caring ... but wisen up .. your lovely personality type will be a magnet for men like this if you don’t think about this carefully .
Speaking from experience and I hope in a constructive way with good intentions.

I wish you well - you really do deserve better .
Look after yourself

PlanDeRaccordement · 27/04/2020 08:40

Most of these posts are very unfair. I too felt bad for him as he is clearly struggling to overcome the smoking addiction.
Smoking is one of the most addictive things you can do. I had a friend who was both a heroin addict and a smoker. She said that quitting heroin was far easier than quitting smoking!

Yes, most people can quit smoking but they’re not actually addicted to it. If you’re addicted, it is much much harder and there is not much recognition of that difficulty. It’s common too for self will power to disappear when you’ve had a bit of alcohol and your inhibitions are lowered. Especially if you’ve been sitting in second hand smoke with a smoking friend. So, I don’t think he is pathetic at all. He is struggling and you are doing an amazing job supporting him. He needs that positive support to keep him motivated.

As for what to do,

  • he should not buy any tobacco at all. I think he’s realised this that the having a roll up in your mouth is just too tempting.
  • preferably, he should consider distancing himself from his chain smoking drunk friend. Continue the friendship remotely, or with quick visits (after lockdown) where he does not drink and stays outside to minimise any second hand smoke (because that triggers cravings). If his friend is a real friend, they will understand he needs to do this for his own health.
-If he’s sitting at home and he starts thinking about smoking, he needs a distraction or something to do to take his mind off that. Talk with him about a hobby or interest he can take up. Because you don’t want him crying down the phone to you about smoking. You can’t be the crutch. This also may lead him to make new, nonsmoking nondrunk active friends do that his first thought is not his old friend.
CormoranStrike · 27/04/2020 08:47

Apart from the exhausting emotional angst of it all, why does he feel so guilty about drinking two cans of beer once every few weeks?

Sounds like an extreme guilt thing over next to nothing.

PanamaPattie · 27/04/2020 08:48

Ditch the man-child and leave him to drink and smoke himself to death - just like the rockstars he idolises. What a sad sack of shit.

BilboBercow · 27/04/2020 08:53

He sounds tedious as fuck. Plus he's making it your responsibility to fix him. Are you drawn to men with "issues" op?

ItMustBeBedtimeSurely · 27/04/2020 08:54

It's not your place to fix this for him. He does it himself, or he doesn't. You decide which you're willing to live with.

Although he sounds deeply tedious tbh.

longwayoff · 27/04/2020 08:54

Gods teeth! Nicotine patches. Wear them forever or use the gum. But do send him back to his mum, she didn't finish the job. Sounds like a complete toddler.

LouLouLoo · 27/04/2020 08:54

Ugh, tell him to take responsibility and stop being emotionally manipulative.

He was sober when he made the CHOICE to go to his friends house to drink and smoke. He knew what he was doing because he took the drink himself. He then cries because he thinks you’ll be cross with him.

In the 10 years he’s been trying to quit, how many times has he seen his GP to access professional help? I’m going to guess at zero?

SmileyClare · 27/04/2020 08:55

He sounds completely self absorbed. I think it's a callous way to talk about his friend; he wouldn't go and see him if he didn't need to fill his own "emotional void"? What a wanky way to talk about a friend

I'm not sure why you're both making such an issue of him having a couple of cans and fags once a week. All this sobbing and navel gazing is tedious.

Perhaps he likes the idea of being some sort of tortured soul with addiction problems. He's not. I couldn't get my knickers in a twist about the odd cigarette and listen to all that angst over fuck all.

Buy him a vape.

FilledSoda · 27/04/2020 08:55

You need to detach from all the angst, don't get involved , don't pass any remark on it at all.
It's his problem not yours.
On a more fundamental level I'd wonder about your future as a couple though , he's awfully dramatic and attention seeking and quite boring to be honest .

EchidnasPhone · 27/04/2020 08:57

How boring 🙄 if he wants to smoke he smokes. If he quits he quits. Crying over it? Acting guilty? What a weird reaction....

Cherrysoup · 27/04/2020 09:02

Crying?! Fml, I couldn’t take him seriously. Over a couple of fags and some beer? Why can’t he have a couple of drinks?

JKScot4 · 27/04/2020 09:03

Why is this such a huge issue? Why are you controlling what he does?
This sounds tedious and too much like hard work,
he treats me so well (almost like a person treats their newborn child lol
This ^ wtf, made me 🤢

SmileyClare · 27/04/2020 09:05

He went through a phase of rolling tobacco and keeping it under his top lip I can't imagine this? Didn't it make him talk funny?

Every couple of days he'd crack, take it out, roll it up and smoke it Confused wasn't it all soggy?

CuriousaboutSamphire · 27/04/2020 09:12

A year? And already he has you owning his issues, tying yourself in knots trying to understand him, whilst standing on his Doctorate Pedestal.

A year!

Chalk him up to experience and move on with your own life.

He will wallow in his addiction until he chooses to change.

compassunreliable · 27/04/2020 09:14

This sounds such an unhealthy relationship. Why have you put yourself in the position of being his carer, seemingly from the very beginning?

What are you basing your idea of a healthy relationship on? Because this sounds so incredibly messed up.

SmileyClare · 27/04/2020 09:14

He begs me to keep being strict with him Perhaps he gets off on this odd dynamic. This isn't normal.

ThePlantsitter · 27/04/2020 09:16

Living with an alcoholic is shit. Has he got the drinking under control?

If the smoking is a deal breaker for you, break the deal. All this apologizing/crying etc must be boring isn't it? Why is he making it your problem?

compassunreliable · 27/04/2020 09:18

begged me to carry on being strict with him (I said I'm getting tired of being the "nag" and he said his life depends on it and if he doesn't do it now, he'll never do it as he's never been in love with anyone as much as me

It's not about their smoking, the issue is this toxic, manipulative mess of a situation. I mean it's just grim.

Get rid of him. This is not a normal relationship and if you think it is you need to do the Freedom Programme course or get some therapy or both.

Puddlejuice · 27/04/2020 09:29

I'm bored just reading this, can't imagine how it is to luge through it.
Has he a personality disorder by any chance?

PeanutButterCheesecake · 27/04/2020 09:40

All the crying would get on my absolute last nerve, how do you put up with that?! He sounds like a big snivelling cry baby. What a turn off.

CalleighDoodle · 27/04/2020 09:45

Go home op. There is no good future here. A man-child does not a good husband and father make.

yet has a lot of self awareness this bit is hilarious. he absolutely does not.

AfterSchoolWorry · 27/04/2020 09:46

What's with all the 'sobbing' ? That's not normal.

And being 'lonely' because you don't live together?

He sounds pathetic quite honestly.

Bluebooby · 27/04/2020 09:48

Your post seems more about his smoking than his drinking so I assume he doesn't actually drink that much? It's hard to give up smoking but it's not like he's shooting up heroin every other weekend. It all seems a bit ott Confused. If he wants to give up smoking he should use the gum for longer if that works for him. Nicotine gum is safer than cigarettes. Or get a vape, maybe he'd find that easier. It's his issue not yours, the crying is a bit ridiculous. He sounds quite attention-seeking.

Looneytune253 · 27/04/2020 09:50

Maybe you guys just shouldn't have the alcohol in the house. I get the impression that he is not alcohol dependent but when he does have a drink he ends up caving and smoking? Don't have the alcohol in and maybe get him to stay home instead of exercising (doesn't sound like he's exercising at all with the cans in his bag). He defo shouldn't be visiting his friend in his house tho. If they really have to do that get them to do it out and about