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DP claims to want to stop drinking/smoking at his friends' but he constantly slips up, sobs & apologizes, then does it again.

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RixtonRails · 26/04/2020 21:37

Long story short- been with DP (he is mid-30s) just over a year. He used to be quite a smoker and heavy drinker yet has a lot of self awareness and has wanted to quit smoking and reduce his drinking for over a decade.

He used to idolize rock musicians and so followed their lifestyle in terms of smoking and drinking.

He said when he was younger he couldn't stand the smell of cigarette smoke, and even when he's quit for a while, he realises how gross it smells.

When we met just over a year ago, he told me he smokes but is trying to quit (and was chewing nicotine gum even that day).

Ever since then, he'd been chewing tons of nicotine gum and hardly ever actually smoking (he rarely even owns cigs) but most of his friends are heavy smokers and one in particular (nearly 40, unemployed, single father) is one he often hangs around and had known for a decade who lives closeby - which is where DP usually slips up (almost on a weekly basis, every time he has gone around). This friend is a chain smoker that smokes all day and night, hardly eats and just drinks booze all day, playing video games and watching TV all day, everyday.

DP used to say he got lonely as we didn't live together, which is why he'd often go around to this particular friend (who has all the time in the world as he's single) and that if during lockdown, I were to come and stay with him, he'd feel no need to fill the emotional void by going around there, etc. and DP weaned off the nicotine gum really well within a week and then went through a period of rolling up tobacco and putting it under his top lip which was a bit gross but he said it wouldn't be as harmful as smoking it and it's only a temporary/transitional thing but every 2 days or so, he'd slip up at around midnight, especially if he was tipsy and sitting outside in his garden, roll it up and take a drag, before throwing it away in disgust.

He'd ALWAYS be honest and confess to me without me even asking him. He has never once been deceitful about it.

Then, the other day he used a silly pointless excuse whilst out exercising to go to the home of afore mentioned friend (the chain smoking, unemployed one) for a beer (sat in his driveway). DP ended up smoking (he most often craves cigarettes when he is drunk - he says so himself). When he came home, he cried his eyes out telling me how disappointed he is in himself and showered and scrubbed and how he really wants to change and he hates how much this addiction is eating away at him.

After he slipped up those few times, he told me he would no longer buy rolling tobacco to put under his top lip and he would go properly cold turkey, which he managed successfully for 2 entire days and I praised him for how much of an achievement that is.

... yet today, he without telling me, went to his friend's place again on the way back from exercise (he said he kinda thought about it the last second as he was heading out so packed 2 beers with him). When he got back, he immediately had tears in his eyes. I asked him what's up? He was sobbing again and told me he went around to that friend's house and had a few beers and smoked some cigs off his friend. He said he didn't even really wanna see him but just went around as subconsciously he thinks he wanted a nicotine hit.

Again, he agreed with me when I was angry at him, he apologised, sobbed and begged me to carry on being strict with him (I said I'm getting tired of being the "nag" and he said his life depends on it and if he doesn't do it now, he'll never do it as he's never been in love with anyone as much as me) and that he's hugely TERRIFIED of dying as almost all of his male relatives have died of cancer (often associated with smoking and drinking and he seems to have a family history of male smokers and heavy drinkers).

I don't know what to do.

On the positive side, he's weaned off the nicotine gum successfully, doesn't own any tobacco and managed without for 2 days and has been totally honest when he's slipped up and keeps telling me he's always wanted to quit, willing to try therapies/services for it.

On the negative side, he's been trying to quit for over a decade (i.e. before he met me) and it's not worked, he has this huge affinity for that bad influence friend, he was deceptive to go to his friend's (even though he told me afterwards) AND worst of all, basically broke lockdown rules and put both of us at risk of covid just to feed his addiction... addicts always put their addiction before even the people they love rings true :(

I don't know what to do - he keeps telling me to be patient (as I've said I can't cope with all this forever) and he will change but how long to wait is reasonable? I am really patient with him, so supportive, encourage him when he's done well, try to empathize with him, I know he has to want it for himself and he keeps insisting he really really does and cries about the fact he has this addiction.

In every other way, we are such a good fit and he treats me so well (almost like a person treats their newborn child lol, always like I'm the most special thing in the world, completely faithful, caring, etc. but I just feel sad his addictions could be an ender for us.

OP posts:
Cmagic7 · 27/04/2020 12:57

Wow, I guess there are a lot of perfect people here on Mumsnet. Hmm
The problem is, speaking from experience, when you've let yourself down many times, you can lose faith that it's actually possible to change. You label yourself a 'failure'. If he's to change, he really needs to take some radical steps to change deeply. First of all, I definitely recommend he reads some Tony Robins - yeah, all right it's a bit cheesy, but I think it might speak to him. He sounds like he's at least honest and shows real desire to change, he just doesn't know how. Good luck to both of you.

springydaff · 27/04/2020 13:07

If you want to stop drinking you just do. Even Russell Brand got clean.

LOLZ. You obviously don't know much about Russell Brand, HOW he got clean and how he STAYS clean. It wasn't, and isn't, a walk in the park.

springydaff · 27/04/2020 13:08

You seem a little naive.

I find this so unpleasant.

ChicCroissant · 27/04/2020 13:13

I take it you like the feeling of being his saviour, OP? Except that you're not, because it is not working unfortunately.

If you want a life of drama - and some do - then you are with the right person. Whatever happens will never be his fault. It would not be my choice, and I also wondered if there is a big age gap between you and your partner because it is really hard to believe that people in their mid-thirties would do this tbh.

springydaff · 27/04/2020 13:17

Ffs. People of all ages 'do this'.

Shocking ignorance about addiction on this thread. It's not as if it's unheard of, since the dawn of time.

I imagine you've unwittingly got caught in the addicts net, op. Hard lesson to learn Sad

lockdownstress · 27/04/2020 13:23

You've got no kids and presumably no significant ties to this man-child. Get rid of him. You deserve better.

GingerBeverage · 27/04/2020 13:34

DP used to say he got lonely as we didn't live together, which is why he'd often go around to this particular friend (who has all the time in the world as he's single) and that if during lockdown, I were to come and stay with him, he'd feel no need to fill the emotional void by going around there, etc

Wait, is he blaming you for not being there to entertain him?

ChicCroissant · 27/04/2020 13:36

No springydaff, people in their mid-thirties do not think they live the rockstar lifestyle if they are not a rockstar! Yes, addicts exist. Trying to live a fantasy in your real life is not a good look past your teens!

RixtonRails · 27/04/2020 13:40

@ChicCroissant
Just to clarify - he said he got into cigs and drinking etc as a teenager due to idolising rock stars and now, years on he’s struggling with the chemical dependance of those addictions.

OP posts:
RixtonRails · 27/04/2020 13:42

He didn’t say he’d ‘die without me’ but more if he doesn’t quit now, he doesn’t think he ever will as he’s said he’s never had a greater motivation to live, etc.

OP posts:
BemidjiMinnesota · 27/04/2020 13:48

RixtonRails
if he doesn’t quit now, he doesn’t think he ever will as he’s said he’s never had a greater motivation to live

Can you see how completely fucked up and weird this is ^^?

TheNoodlesIncident · 27/04/2020 14:32

He's emotionally blackmailing you OP. He's unpleasantly manipulative.

He had a full bottle of spirits on a weeknight last week and had an awful hangover for two days after that

Ugh. Walk away from this for your own sanity. You have the choice now of walking away and having a nicer life, or staying with this guy and being miserable. I know what I would choose. (I ditched someone for not quitting smoking, for drinking although they suffered health problems when they did. He was actually a nice bloke, but honestly? I can't be bothered with that. His life, his choices - but I'm not staying to suffer the ill-effects of someone else's choices, no way.)

1300cakes · 27/04/2020 15:01

The biggest problem here is him blaming or involving you. I was with someone who was a bit like this, and it was simultaneously my fault for not nagging him enough (I'm not helping him, if I was stricter he would quit) and nagging him to much (I'm stressing him out with nagging, causing him to smoke). No matter what I did it was my fault. Of course it was actually nothing to do with me.

saraclara · 27/04/2020 15:07

I couldn't be with someone with that level of drama, emotion and neediness. He sound incredibly immature, and the idea of being treated like a newborn baby makes me cringe.

He's chosen you to be his saviour. You're not. You need an equal in your life. A partner, not a patient to nurse.

whiplashy · 27/04/2020 15:10

he sounds unbearably immature and you sound like you’re trying to be his mother. wholly unattractive all round

1300cakes · 27/04/2020 15:11

If he says he is willing to try therapies and services then why doesn't he do so, instead of trying to make you his therapist.

Another thing that happened to me with my ex and seems to also feature in your situation, is that he had got perverse enjoyment from my praise/congratulations for the short periods that he had quit (or pretended to quit), and from the drama of failing (crying, self pity), then "quitting" again and getting more praise, and the cycle continues. I'm all for supporting your partner but if they enjoy getting your attention in that way it's actually an incentive not to quit as the attention would stop.

CheddarGorgeous · 27/04/2020 16:05

he’s never had a greater motivation to live

Does he mean your relationship? Don't you see how fucked up that is? He's basically saying that if you choose to end the relationship you are taking away his reason to live. It's blatant emotional manipulation and you need to run away. Fast!

MulticolourMophead · 27/04/2020 16:13

OP, his drinking and smoking are his responsibility, not yours.

Yet he's trying to put the responsibility all on you.

So, he's guilt tripping you into not leaving (the "motivation" bollocks) and you are also handy as someone to blame when his "quitting" fails. As it inevitably will.

He is a fuckwit, emotionally immature, and you really need to drop him like a hot potato.

WhereYouLeftIt · 27/04/2020 17:01

"DP used to say he got lonely as we didn't live together ... and that if during lockdown, I were to come and stay with him, he'd feel no need to fill the emotional void by going around there, etc."

And you believed him? Really? Really, really?

He's a tosser. He's mid thirties and locked into behaving like a teenager. HE. WILL. NOT. CHANGE. Reading your OP I got the sense that you buy into the 'all he needs is the love of a good woman yadda yadda yadda' bollocks. It's not true! It's a lie told to keep women onside to an existence of propping up a manchild. Just, please, accept that you cannot change him. He is what he is. And what he is - let's face it, it's not really that attractive, is it? Manipulative, addicted, lying - but mainly, he's MANIPULATIVE. The majority of you first post is a list of ways he has manipulated you, from getting you to move in to putting up with his shit. And as for "he keeps telling me to be patient (as I've said I can't cope with all this forever) and he will change" - how can you not see how manipulative he is?

Moving in with him was a mistake. Save yourself, and move back out. If he really wanted to change, he could do that whilst you're apart and then see if you're interested in the changed him. Otherwise, he's just locking you into a doomed relationship. Which he will try to do, because he is a tosser.

Bluebooby · 27/04/2020 17:27

Springy I have a lot of experience of addiction, including personal experience, and am currently a smoker who keeps trying and failing to quit. I still think ops dp sounds incredibly over dramatic. He's not on 20 a day and downing a bottle of vodka every night, he's smoking and drinking every other weekend or however often he sees his special friend. He's being a man child and he's putting responsibility for himself on to the op.

Smellbellina · 27/04/2020 17:37

Has he tried reading the Allan Carr stop smoking the Easy Way book? It really helped me when I wanted to stop, you can download it on the Kindle app from Amazon.

NoSoapAndGory · 27/04/2020 17:40

Why did you minimise his drinking, OP?

You said he took two cans, but came back slurring and unable to walk straight. That's not two cans. Is he only smoking cigarettes, or something else too?

A drank a full bottle of spirits in one night.

What do you see in him? He's not a catch - there's no happy future here.

MrsGrindah · 27/04/2020 17:42

Yuk! Tobacco under his top lip?Vile.

AnyFucker · 27/04/2020 18:29

His teeth must be as brown as shit

MitziK · 27/04/2020 20:00

Oh, God.

Just walk away now. He's pathetic.

and he'll have mouth cancer if he keeps on doing that with tobacco

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