Flight Radar 24 pt 2

[NoGravyForYou]

I don't know if anyone else has made one!
BA2665 has missed LGW and is circling again

Corona virus flight MM62228 isn't on flight radar but it's on the way from Tokyo to Italy via Berlin.

There’s an article in the Daily Mail today about passengers on a flight from Lanzarote to Edinburgh.
The plane picked up a four hour delay in Lanzarote and therefore had to land at Gatwick and the passengers transfer to coaches for the remainder of the journey as the crew were out of flying hours!

I read that. Absolute bizarre thing to do. The flying hours thing is obviously crucial, but to put them in hotels only to bus them next day

It can only be an hour or so to Edinburgh. Presuming the crew weren’t actually flying during the four hour delay in Lanzarote so you’d think there would be some leeway.
At worst, if the plane had to return to Edinburgh as its usual base the next morning anyway, you’d think the passengers could have got back on and flown up.

The aircraft didn't go back to Edinburgh, it operated out of Gatwick the next day. It's a weekly flight from Edinburgh to Lanzarote.

It can only be an hour or so to Edinburgh. Presuming the crew weren’t actually flying during the four hour delay in Lanzarote so you’d think there would be some leeway.

The duty day clock doesn’t stop whilst the aircraft are on the ground..it runs continuously from time of first report of the day ( clocking on).

TBH I haven’t read the Mail (don’t intend to ) but the problem is without knowing where and when this crew started their duty day and want went on before (previous rest, previous sectors) it is impossible to get a handle on this. ..In general crews like to get the job done, get people to destination but the CAA will come down like a ton of bricks on anybody (particularly aircraft commanders i.e. captains) busting duty hours limits - to that end whilst there is a bit of commanders discretion available to add an extension of maybe two or three hours onto the normal duty hours limits every time that is done the CAA need a written report from the commander of the circumstances...it’s a big deal.

I suspect it is entirely possible getting the passengers back as far as Gatwick was all that was legally possible, probably even with commanders discretion applied. As for the recovery plan and buses the next day - no idea why but if the crew had a very extended duty day getting as far as Gatwick then that would extended the rest they would have needed at Gatwick before operating again.

Thanks, both, for the explanations. You think common sense has gone out of the window but there’s usually a rational reason behind it.

It’s sometimes a tricky one to explain....on short haul many passengers catching afternoon flights don’t realise “their” crew didn’t have the morning off, starting work at for example 3PM,. The crew might actually have started work at say 7 AM and are on their third or even fourth sector of the day...so on some really long days they can getting quite close to duty limits by the time they get to sector number four.

For those interested, the coronovirus "rescue" flight is EB8471. Quite interesting to look at the plane's previous flights - it was also used to for the two flights from Wuhan to Brize Norton.

I'm surprised that the medical emergency diversion was rare / interesting enough to make the papers.

Thanks for all the info not, I'm finding this fascinating.

TBH I’m slightly surprised the medical diversion made the papers..must have been a quiet day at the local paper

The reason I say that is as I think I mentioned upthread medical problems are probably one of the most common reasons you’ll see an airliner with a 7700 “squawk” (“distress”) in U.K. airspace...Having said that I don’t have the actual numbers - might see if I can find a source.

I remembered you saying that, and that was my first thought when I got the alert!

Found it, from the CAA

“Declared emergencies are among the occurrences that must be reported to us. In 2017, there were nearly 2,000 declared emergencies, representing 6% of the occurrences reported to us. Statistically, this corresponds to six emergencies per day involving UK aviation. Of these emergencies, nearly 66% are due to passenger medical issues.”

www.caa.co.uk/Safety-initiatives-and-resources/Aviation-safety-review/Emergencies/

Big jet TV is live at Heathrow!

Glued to Fr today, my brother is flying back from Australia and my sister is flying to Norway.

Anyone know why there are air traffic control flight restrictions around Gatwick today? Flying home shortly and just had email from BA to say disruption/delays possible due to the above Please tell me it's nothing to do with windy conditions

Don’t know about Gatwick, but has anyone seen BAW14K? It’s come from Phoenix and was heading towards one of the London airports but now seems to have turned round and showing “N/A” on its destination.

I can't find that Phoenix one with that number

Aa194 from Phoenix is near London ?

Ratona

I just looked that up and FR24 lost coverage, as they usually do, while the flight was over the ocean. The reason FR24 will have shown N/A is because when the aircraft came back into coverage for some reason it didn't quite pick it up correctly and therefore didn't know it's destination.

Elsewhere I can see it did a couple of circles in the Bovingdon stack when it reached the UK then a normal approach and landing.

lost

It landed at 9:15am

Gatwick - serious “flow rate” restrictions early AM put in place due to forecast of strongish winds....basically fewer departures/arrivals allowed per hour which screws up the “flying program”

Give me a few minutes and I’ll have a look at the PHX..

BAW14K is a BA callsign, I haven’t had time to look at FR to see what flight number that is tied to

The
daily BA PHX-LHR service goes by the flight number of the BA288 and I do know it isn’t due to arrive at LHR until around 1400 Time, so ATM (1030 hrs) it is probably still out over the Atlantic and almost certainly not showing on Flightradar.

It's BA114. Posted above. Landed 9:15am.

Thanks for that

Looks like FR is now getting some data from parts of the Oceanic routes....if anyone is specifically interested the BA 288 from PHX is operating under the callsign on BAW38P and is currently off the northeast coast of Labrador.