OK- fellow Labour Party members...

[BertrandRussell]

.....we’re all agreed that we need to be pragmatic, cynical and hard headed in the choice of the next leader and deputy, yes?

So, who? Who has a chance of getting us into power in the foreseeable future? Starmer and Philips?

Lisa is our local MP she gets shit done.

' the Labour party needs to become the party of the young'

The problem with this is that younger people vote in significantly less numbers than older people. They are also more likely to live in Cities where Labour votes will pile up.

Labour needs to be winning in towns as well as cities to stand any chance of winning. Lisa Nandy gets this completely, not sure how much the other candidates do.

Violet

You are so right, Lisa does get it. She is very much respected in our town. Never any doubt about her being re elected. She did lose some seats but most of labour MP's did. Our neighboring town, labour, for over 100 years turned Conservative.

Bellinisurge it might be that the people you know are Leavers, but the stats don't bear this out. 60% of Labour voters voted Remain in Leave areas (76% in Remain seats). Yes that means a fair old chunk voted Leave but why do they seem to be getting disproportionate amounts of attention?

Leaving the EU is fundamentally a nutty right-wing project and very few Labour voters even cared about the issue until the Leave campaign cleverly managed to persuade some voters that their problems weren't due to austerity under a Tory Government but evil Brussels.

OK Labour has to be the party of everyone but not just the young, but why are we giving so much attention to the needs of a minority of Northern voters and ignoring great swathes of the population? The Get Brexit Done slogan was effective, but only because even diehard retainers like me were getting sick of it all. It was Corbyn not Brexit that lost the election.

Corbyn and Brexit lost Labour the election and I say that as someone who likes Corbyn and voted Remain. For the party to win again it needs to move on from both.

Pressed post too soon.
For the reasons above I am against RLB for leader and JP who said there was a possibilty she could be a rejoin the EU candidate. Appreciate it was a bit of a trick question for her but she could have answered it better imo.

Phillips - I have been following her on Twitter and her ego is astonishing. I don't dislike her and I think she has good principles but would perform badly as leader, maybe better as deputy. However she has zero understanding of Scottish issues (and that is pretty important to me).

Lisa Nandy will get almost no Scottish votes after suggesting we are treated like Catalunyans, ie beaten up and politicians imprisoned. What a fool.

I realise that the Scotland angle won't resonate with most of you but it is brutal up here and it really matters. Hundreds of thousands of votes for Labour exist in Scotland but Labour spends its time wanging on childishly about the SNP instead of presenting a viable alternative. Ian Murray is definitely not getting my vote, he's an absolute manchild whose raison d'être is to get a dig in about the SNP and do fuck all else.

Labour up here is absolutely brainwashed and if they don't pull their heads out of their arses sharpish it is curtains for them full stop. Stop treating us as if we are after independence at all costs, start making a reasoned case as to why not, get your figures straight, behave maturely, don't align yourselves with the fucking Tories EVER and don't let Ian Murray advise you. (Assuming some wonk somewhere is reading MN.)

All this to say I have no idea where my vote will go but I won't be voting for any of the the ones I've mentioned. I actually need to do some serious revision on the others pretty sharpish.

I will be keeping my membership long enough to vote for Keir Starmer. He seems more articulate and intelligent than the rest, with the possible exception of Ms Thornberry. Ms Nandy is a Brexiter AFAIK and the next leader needs to be a Remainer - we've lost the Leavers, if we lose the Remainers too there will be nobody left. RLB is the closest to me politically, but she is clearly not very bright. Ms Phillips is an obnoxious, loud thicko prone to ridiculous histrionics, a cross between your run of the mill school bully and that woman from Benefits Street. I won't vote for the party if she is elected leader. Ms Rayner seems nice enough but it's maybe not her time yet. I dont know much about the others and will have to do my homework.

Lisa Nandy will get almost no Scottish votes after suggesting we are treated like Catalunyans, ie beaten up and politicians imprisoned. What a fool.

Oh dear, when did she say this? I was liking what she was saying too.

Long-Bailey may have made a tactical error talking about abortion rights/Catholic opinions at this stage.
AFAIC she's just Corbyn in a frock anyway.

Starmer is the clear best candidate in my eyes, but I don't know how he'll play with the wider electorate.

Can't abide Jess Philips, sincerely hope she doesn't get leader or deputy.

I'd go with Rebecca Long Bailey or Keir Starmer for leader, Emily Thornberry as dep.

Thornbury isn’t running for deputy though.

Heart says Phillips, head says Starmer. Could live with Nandy or Thornbury. ABRLB basically.

Probably go for Starmer. I like Jess and think she’s an important voice at the moment, but not the right choice for leader this time.

“ So everyone has to dissect their opinions on this thread now? Feel free to watch the video I posted earlier”

Yes- on a thread like this they do. We’re discussing the next leader of the Labour Party- it’s important to consider why the different candidates get the reactions they do.
I like the fact that she is prepared to have friends from different walks of life.

@charlottejbt

Nandy is a remainer but an mp of a leave voting area. She tried to vote pragmatically on the brexit deals to get a soft brexit.

Some people are just putting their choices. Best take that up with them too

I liked what I saw of Lisa Nandy today.
Jess Philips is cringingly bad, nothing new there.
Starmer not inspiring, Thornberry a good egg but not leadership material.
I liked everything RLB had to say but I know it can't be more of the same. We need a proper opposition and a Labour Government.

Stop trying to dig at people, Bertrand.

It's been a stuggle in the whatsapp and facebook closed labour/momentum groups I am active in, they have bent through hoops as to why so left wing wont even wear a right foot shoe abbott shouldn't stand, so go for RLB as being their totally not continuation of Corbyn despite only getting a 13% percent approval rating of a yes/no question (not unlike the 1930's unironically)

RLB is a Corbyn 2.0, should be tainted because Momentum have been given the backing after what ~13% backed her in a yes or no situation.

By passed Lammy once they realised they couldn't use the race card against the tory Lammy4PM thing is it actually showed the shit show on the front bench. anyone backing Thornburry is just white middle class women not understanding why they have lost the north wall and unironically voting for a 'Lady' and pretending they are voting for the working class until they vote the wrong way.

I would vote for kier, but then if I procliam to be as politically astute as they do on other threads I wouldn;t be asking such questions.

I like the fact that she is prepared to have friends from different walks of life. That's big of her

Starmer / Rayner for me.

Emily Thornberry's contribution seems to be just trashing Boris Johnson.

I would have thought that with her training she would find better ways to present herself and her ideas.
She's so damned juvenile.

Starmer and Philips. The idea is to have people who appeal to the broader electorate. Otherwise Labour's buggered.

We can't have Starmer AND Philips. They're both standing to be Leader. Separate elections. It might have been better for Philips to stand for the Deputy Leadership if she wanted to be elected as opposed to widening the debate.

I'm waiting for McCluskey to weigh in for Long Bailey now that it looks as if Murphy will get her peerage. I wondered why he was holding back. Quid pro quo.

Phillips has withdrawn.