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Harry stepping down as a senior royal ..PART TWO

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Dowser · 10/01/2020 18:55

As I finished the last one
Only right I start the new one.
Here you go

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beanaseireann · 12/01/2020 13:17

dimsum123
On one of the H&M threads you said the Queen was cold.
I agree with you.
Her mother appeared to be a warmer person than QE2.
I think she prefers her animals to people.
Not my kinda woman- and I love dogs.

LordOfTheWhys · 12/01/2020 13:20

If you read all of that mummy then you'll have also read that the leak apparently came from Meghan's US PR team. That it was leaked to the Sun ten days before the statement was made and the Sun gave H&M ten days to respond.
H only started discussing moving to Canada before Christmas. Charles asked for a proposal in writing to include timelines, duties, financials. H didn't provide the detail and tried to go above Charles to the Queen. Both told him not to say anything until the detail had been agreed but H&M released their statement anyway.
If H&M 'thought' the RF was briefing against them before, they're going to be in for a shock. All the H&M stories that the RF staff and the media have squashed, will get published now.
They've been here before with Diana and although M is more difficult to manage because ultimately she doesn't care about the RF (and Diana did because she wanted Wills to be King) the RF have more experience than M of managing the media and horse trading interviews behind the scenes.

Dowser · 12/01/2020 13:20

Bet Prince Andrew is just loving the fact the heat is off him.
I bet he can’t believe his good luck.

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beanaseireann · 12/01/2020 13:25

Charles may never be king.
He doesn't look very healthy. His hands are very red and puffy.
He has waited in the wings for so long and yet he may never wear the crown.
Very stressful time for the Queen and PC at the moment.

Dowser · 12/01/2020 13:28

If Megxit get the deal they want
Perhaps they could take on Brexit👍

( Sorry, sorry everyone..just couldn’t help myself 😂)

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BeardedMum · 12/01/2020 13:29

Yes cannot believe this is a bigger scandal than Prince Andrew. M seems to be more hated than Prince A. And didn’t Sophie try to sell a meeting with the queen at some point?

LordOfTheWhys · 12/01/2020 13:30

peridito ah, I see. YY on an emotional level, it isn't a very stable family at all and the different roles for heirs and spares is very divisive. And the unearned deference is probably harder to adjust to if you've lived outside the RF bubble than if you've always lived within it.
I think that's why the rest of H's gfs turned it down tbh and I don't blame them. I wouldn't want to be married into the RF.

Dowser · 12/01/2020 13:30

Plus he’s on a flying visit to Oman today to offer condolences for the ruler who passed away.
He has to be back tomorrow for ‘ the talks’
PC showing how is should be done.
Hope he’s got the use of a private jet so he can get some shuteye while he flies.

( I wouldn’t want their lives for all the money and fame in the world.)

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Dowser · 12/01/2020 13:31

By the way..PC will be fine for another thirty years.
He takes homeopathy 😂

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peridito · 12/01/2020 13:33

H only started discussing moving to Canada before Christmas. Charles asked for a proposal in writing to include timelines, duties, financials. H didn't provide the detail and tried to go above Charles to the Queen. Both told him not to say anything until the detail had been agreed but H&M released their statement anyway

How do you know these details LordoftheWhys ?

Mummy195 · 12/01/2020 13:34

Lord if you go on the iplayer to Wednesday's Jeremy Vine, the editor called there. Him and the Sun are so anti-Meghan, there is no way he would have left that out that Meghan's PR leaked the story, and why should they anyway. He specifically said a royal source from the palace talked to him directly. So, sorry I don't buy your narrative, where did you read that ?
It cannot be her firm either, because it's clear there are no leaks in H&M camp because the media struggled for day to find out where they went. Even now, they are not sure if all the holiday was spent in Canada or which parts. How they got there, who were all the people they saw etc.

There are not H&M stories, once more the media are already making a big deal out of nonsense stories about them, there is no way they are sitting on any big stories or scandals.

Mummy195 · 12/01/2020 13:36

They were also away 10 days before the story, so where were they asked to comment on this?

peridito · 12/01/2020 13:41

Would members of RF engage in a back and forth with the Sun do you think ? I wonder what legal advice ( or RF advice )would be given to H&M about commenting on a story to be published ?

I don't know how these things work but would have thought silence best approach ?

LordOfTheWhys · 12/01/2020 13:42

peridito it was leaked by a RF insider presumably because they wanted to make it clear H&M had gone against the Queen's wishes because she told them not to release a statement yet.

The Sun journalist said he contacted H&M's staff directly and gave them 10 days to respond. It could still all be rubbish of course. But I've worked in and with the media for years and that would fit with what I know of how the media and PR works.

As for why would M's PR leak the story - from a PR pov, this has been amazing. It has widespread coverage. If H&M had waited, released a low-key joint statement with the RF, there wouldn't have been as much coverage. But this - rift with the RF; defying the Queen etc etc. PR gold and this is known as a quiet time of year for the media so it was guaranteed maximum coverage. (and I did say 'apparently' leaked because I've not seen it in enough places to say it's true or not).

Fraggot · 12/01/2020 13:46

Re the Disney touting, I enjoyed Beyoncé’s quick glance over. Like a ‘did he just say what I think he said? Nah must have imagined it’ Grin

peridito · 12/01/2020 13:56

Yes that all makes sense LordoftheWhys - all another world to me this PR stuff Grin

Mummy195 · 12/01/2020 14:00

Your narrative still does not ring true. The last thing they need is bad publicity.

This is a non-story that has been blown up tbf.
H&M are demoting themselves to minor royals just like Eugenie and Beatrice - who both have titles and one lives in Ivy Cottage in Kensington Palace. So they will be pretty much like the other cousins really. It was Anne's choice to take away the Philips titles. Don't really see H&M being too bothered about titles, since they removed them from Archie.

As for paying back Frogmore renovations. Frogmore does not belong to them. It was already earmarked for renovations, so would have had them with or without H&M. If the other grandchildren do not pay rent, then why should H&M, if they do, then so would H&M. If others have protection, so should H&M.

If they just took off, there would be outrage about them leaving their charities hanging.

To me it looks like they are tidying up to eventually move away from the firm - financially, but will probably still see everyone at a family capacity. The fact that H is born royalty, there is really nothing they can do about that or that their names.

So they will probably go on Philanthropy work for charities like the Obamas, Gates, Buffets etc. hence the need to keep their presence in North America.

You would have thought the critics would be happy with this arrangement. But damned if they do, damned if they don't .

LordOfTheWhys · 12/01/2020 14:08

Not to risk repeating myself but if they had accepted a posting overseas (similar to the Queen and Prince Philip did with Malta when first married) then no-one would have batted an eyelid. If they said they wanted to renounce their titles and live an ordinary life, everyone would have wished them well. Likewise, if they had renounced their titles and set up a charitable foundation.
It's this halfway house and the way of announcing it that has caused all the publicity.
Ultimately most people aren't monarchists (I know I'm not!) but we do pay for them so have an interest in the financials. (and personally I have an interest in the pr aspect because their PR has been woeful and I couldn't work out why - but I've come to the conclusion that they ignored their PR team, didn't trust the RF staff trying to steer them and have decided just to focus completely on the US and global market.)

peridito · 12/01/2020 14:14

I think there would have been a lot of gossip and speculation if they'd been posted abroad - I can see the words exile /falling out featuring heavily .

Renouncing titles - that would make sense .I can only assume that there is bad feeling betwn the couple and the rest of the RF and they want to do things on their own terms .

diddl · 12/01/2020 15:04

Nobody has had titles removed have they?

Anne's children weren't automatically entitled to titles & Anne & their father declined titles for them.

Archie isn't entitled to anything until/if Charles becomes King.

BlackCatSleeping · 12/01/2020 15:09

I’d love to be a fly on the wall at the big meeting tomorrow. I bet it will be dramatic as hell. Will be interesting to see the outcome.

CurlyWurlyTwirly · 12/01/2020 15:09

Archie is entitle to use Harry’s lesser title; Earl of Dumbarton.
Meghan and Harry chose not to give him a title.
Once Charles becomes King, Archie will be entitled to a Prince title but probably won’t use it.

Likewise, Lady Louise Windsor and her brother Viscount Severn; children of Prince Edward are technically a Prince and a Princess, same as the a York Princesses; grandchildren of the Queen. Their parents chose for them not to have Royal titles.

LordOfTheWhys · 12/01/2020 15:23

BlackCat I wonder if all the staff are fighting to be on shift and based near the meeting room Grin

stepitupjuan · 12/01/2020 15:28

I’d love to be a fly on the wall at the big meeting tomorrow

Me too. The Queen has seen it all in her life, been exposed to the highest levels of authority and I think she is probably peerless in the formidable stakes.

stepitupjuan · 12/01/2020 15:31

Nobody has had titles removed have they?

Diana and Fergie retained Princess of/Duchess of but lost the royal element of HRH.