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Harry stepping down as a senior royal ..PART TWO

376 replies

Dowser · 10/01/2020 18:55

As I finished the last one
Only right I start the new one.
Here you go

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Roussette · 13/01/2020 11:08

Gosh annielouse given the 2nd para in your post of 10.40, you have a really low opinion of the both of them.

I don't remember any of the women marrying in carrying on working for any length of time.

Maybe we havent heard of Prince Constantin or Princess Madeleine because they are allowed to go off and forge some sort of life for themselves. Besides which a lot of the British are pretty inward looking as far as royal families are concerned, we're only interested in ours.

My views are diametrically opposed to you. I think this is what the RF needs. Someone stepping out the strictures and stuffiness of the family. Good on them. Just gotta get the financials sorted somehow or other.

LordOfTheWhys · 13/01/2020 11:12

Iirc some of the Danish RF work too.

diddl · 13/01/2020 12:12

I should think the main thing is the wanting to be in another country.

If Harry said that they wanted to step back, maybe do some charity work & be allowed to be a family for a couple of years (as W&K were), then it might have been easier to work out.

annielouise · 13/01/2020 12:33

Rousette: "Gosh annielouse given the 2nd para in your post of 10.40, you have a really low opinion of the both of them."

I think you mean my fourth paragraph and yes, based on what I've seen of them, I do have a low opinion of them - as do many others for the same reasons it seems.

annielouise · 13/01/2020 12:37

I don't think I could tell you the names of any of the European royal families, or most Americans could either, or British, unless you're interested in royal families on the whole.

Far more around the world know of the Queen, Charles and Diana at least, Andrew and Fergie because of their dodginess. And that is where the difference lies in H&M being allowed to step back and earn money from cashing in from their titles. They won't be going into obscurity but to celeb land with all that entails - some good press, some bad press which has the potential to reflect badly on the RF. Two minor European royals opting out and having careers is totally different.

Roussette · 13/01/2020 13:08

as do many others for the same reasons it seems

Many don't also. There is a lot of support for them out there.

Two minor European royals opting out and having careers is totally different
They are minor royals so let's change our RF and the way it operates for the good, allowing more privacy. Win win all round, I think there will be a sea of change coming as soon as the Queen pops off.

annielouise · 13/01/2020 13:30

The overwhelming perception seems to be that what they want is to have their cake and eat it - it's implied from what they say on their website. So yes they have some support but staying royal but only doing the appointments they want but being free to cash in on their titles implied from what they have expressly stated isn't palatable to a lot of the British public - as demonstrated by the posts on MN and comments on online newspapers. The way they went about it too - announcing it before telling the RF and getting their agreement - is sneaky and they've justly been criticised for that.

They are not really minor royals, despite Harry being sixth in line. He's 6th in line to probably the most famous family in the world. They generate a lot of press, good and bad, around the world. Giving them what they want won't allow more privacy.

They have privacy in their private lives anyway, when away from work. I don't see them in the press going about their business, popping to the shops etc, do you? And they don't want privacy - they still want to be in the public eye, they've said that themselves.

It won't be a win win because as I've said before and many others have it opens up the potential for the RF to be embarrassed and criticised, as per the red carpet/Disney hustling. If that is an example of them doing what they want - finding jobs like voice-overs for money then it is not changing how the RF operates for good. Look at the criticism it has generated. If the RF allow this then they are in a sticky situation with the public.

I wouldn't mind if they wanted to step down and be private members of the public. H&M don't want that. They want their titles and to be members of the RF, collaborating with the RF etc, but be free to live and work in North America to set up a foundation perhaps, do commercial work for their own gain to be financially independent etc. That is not wanting privacy.

annielouise · 13/01/2020 13:32

And if there are more incidents like the red carpet/Disney thing that is embarrassing for the RF and won't be accepted by the public here.

BlackCatSleeping · 13/01/2020 14:04

I thought M&H did want to work for their own charity foundation. Isn’t that the point??

LordOfTheWhys · 13/01/2020 14:12

annie I think you're a bit mistaken about the esteem our RF is held in. Definitely a lot of European RFs think our's are a bit gauche and uncultured, and that feeling is shared by their subjects.

Roussette · 13/01/2020 14:28

We disagree annelouise ... that much I'm clear on!

There is massive support for them on Twitter here and abroad. As there is dislike. You (nor I) do not know how that is apportioned, you are looking at the situation from one perspective and me from another. It's no good stating stuff as fact.

Sixth in line to the throne is tiddly squat, he's only just above Beatrice and Eugenie !!....and they're minor royals....

annielouise · 13/01/2020 15:37

BlackCat - they might want their own charity foundation but they still want to earn private money - lots of it.

LordoftheWhys - you're mistaken, I haven't commented on the esteem our RF is held in personally. I don't hold them in esteem at all. I want rid of them all. I've merely argued that the RF can't afford to have two loose cannons that they have no control over in case it damages them further.

Rousette - there might be massive support for them. The large amount of bad feeling for them is more damaging though. It is very vocal, more so than ever. Also sixth in line is not diddly squat, or tiddly squat as you wrote. When the queen dies he'll be 5th and the only other son of a king. The 2nd, 3rd and 4th in line will still be children given the queen's age. If Charles died soon after (he is 71 now) there is only william followed by 3 young kids. 6th in line sounds far off but the situation could change rapidly. That's the whole point of a spare.

Hearhoovesthinkzebras · 13/01/2020 15:38

He might be minor because he's 6th in line to the throne but once the Queen dies he will be the son of, and then the brother of, the monarch. That does make him different to Beatrice or Eugenie.

His position does come with huge downsides but it also affords him great privileges too. He can't decide that he'll just take the privileges and sack off the rest of it.

They could have done this so differently. Quite sure they could have come to an arrangement whereby they still did some public events but devoted more time to behind the scenes charity work or whatever they wanted to do. Why did they have to do this big foot stamping flounce?

Roussette · 13/01/2020 15:49

annelouse we've always said 'tiddly squat' in our family...

annielouise · 13/01/2020 15:49

Exactly, Hearhooves. The way they did this by putting in on their website without ironing out the details with the RF shows a lack of integrity. And that's the problem the RF has. They can't allow two loose cannons doing stuff like this. I don't care if they were to step down completely and others don't. It's the half in/half out cherry picking way they've presented it that doesn't sit well with people that are against it as it smacks of having your cake and eat it.

annielouise · 13/01/2020 15:50

Who cares, it's wrong Confused.

Roussette · 13/01/2020 16:10

Dear oh dear... Shock

annielouise · 13/01/2020 16:13

Haha, I'm laughing - why on earth would you think anyone cares what your family says. "Dear oh dear" - exactly Grin!

Dozer · 13/01/2020 16:15

“Charity” and earning lots of money for themselves with their brands.

PattiPrice · 13/01/2020 16:19

BP have now issued a statement denying William of bullying Harry.

A statement on behalf of Princes Harry and William described the story's "inflammatory language" as "offensive".

The courtiers and/or their press spokesperson appear very willing to rapidly fire out releases when it comes to William’s reputation and his legal team slap down injustices to prevent any negative personal stories being published. Yet when Meghan was being tormented* by the press, there was radio silence.

I think Harry and Meghan have absolutely done the right thing. The press and keyboard warriors should be very ashamed of themselves.

Roussette · 13/01/2020 16:20

Oh do give over annielouise
Have you got nothing better to do than pull someone up twice for a phrase they typed?!
Weird

annielouise · 13/01/2020 16:26

I only mentioned it's diddly squat once. To say I pulled you up on it twice is an exaggeration. I didn't even 'pull you up on it' once - just mentioned the correct phrase. You then thought to give us the fascinating but irrelevant titbit that that's what your family says. I responded so, it's still wrong - basically who cares.

Haha, you're the one that kept it going. You give over Smile.

annielouise · 13/01/2020 16:27

I've picked holes in everything you've posted and you're clearly sore.

Dowser · 13/01/2020 16:30

Any news yet?
Although I understand this meeting was sandwiched between after lunch Ie at 2 pm and to finish before queens tea..at 5 pm

Half an hour to go then.

Then our fate is decided

Are they allowed to sail off into the sunset and make their own way in the world like so many of us and never darken our shores again
Or are they allowed to cherrypick which duties they wisH to attend and we get the joy of picking up the tab.

The nation waits with baited breath

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annielouise · 13/01/2020 16:32

Dowser - not sure if you've seen but there's a thread on AIBU as well and some good points have just been made by a couple of people about the timing of this bombshell by H&M.