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Harry stepping down as a royal family member

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kittykatkitty · 08/01/2020 18:42

Just read this on their instagram page.
They plan on becoming private citizens

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Myimaginarycathasfleas · 09/01/2020 13:50

I don't think anyone would have cared at all if they had put out a joint statement with the Queen's support saying that they were renouncing their titles, stepping down from their royal roles, returning Frogmore and setting up the Harry & Meghan Foundation where they would work and take a salary. In fact, I think the response would have been massively supportive.

I wholeheartedly agree with this.

I also think they have played a blinder using the phrase "financially Independent" because that's all everyone is focusing on. In reality all they are giving up is the 5% which is Sovereign Grant. They will be 95% very much dependent on the Duchy of Cornwall for the foreseeable.

Everything is so murky. HM needs to be saying "as a private family member nothing changes, you have our love and support. But as a member of the Firm, your services are no longer required. Please hand in your pass, titles and the keys to your company car on the way out."

KenAdams · 09/01/2020 13:54

Be warned, this will be long.

When they got engaged, Meghan was ridiculed for saying she didn’t know much about Harry’s family. I think it’s now very clear that she had no idea. She probably thought it was the same as any other celebrity family (an environment she’s used to) but didn’t understand the differences due to their head of state roles and the restrictions these bring.

Kate is British and like most of us, grew up with the knowledge of the institution of the royal family and had another 10 years when she was at quite a young age (so ripe to be moulded) to be taught anything else she needed to know and conditioned to not voice her opinion about things and be trained to do her role as future consort.

Meghan joined the family in her mid 30’s and like most of us at that age had lived a life, built a career and been able to freely voice her thought’s and opinions and largely, be a lot less malleable. To have that ability taken away from you would come as quite the shock I would think and being able to do things like call out governments on their actions that were harming their people would be difficult, particularly when your role involves visiting parts of the world are apparent. There was no time for her to be given the same level of training as Kate due to her age and them wanting to get on with having children. Additionally, the treatment of her by the press would have made her want to get away from it all as soon as she could.

Similarly, we’ve seen the institutions stiff upper lip at it’s best recently, with the way they dealt with (or didn’t) the Andrew situation and, if it’s true, the brushing under the carpet of William’s affair. I suspect Meghan may have struggled with how these things are handled in the family as opposed to what she is used to. I think the source of the William/Harry feud is William’s affair and Harry’s issue with how the royal family have dealt with it, which has naturally drawn comparisons with how his mum was treated following the issues with his parents. If Meghan also had issues, when he mentioned “powerful forces” in his interview, he may have been referring the institution, not the press. The Andrew stuff would likely have cemented their thinking.

I’ve always suspected Harry wanted to be in the army for a long time and was furious when he was pulled out. Since then, I don’t think he’s ever been comfortable here and has continually taken the opportunity to be elsewhere. I think marrying Meghan enabled him to gain a better understanding of other options available to them. The initial moving to Africa plan was likely vetoed by the palace due to security concerns so they had to have a rethink and they probably thought that moving to another commonwealth country would be more palatable for HM.

If they floated the idea with Buck Pal, I suspect that the response would have been let’s wait and see how best we can do this. Given that the DoE has recently retired and Andrew, Beatrice and Eugene out of action for the foreseeable, they probably wanted to deal with how their responsibilities would be covered first before looking at Harry and Megan’s situation. Harry would then have been told to step up to cover more, meaning that the move would have been impossible anytime soon, and if their intention is to be settled somewhere before Archie starts school, they wouldn’t have wanted that.

Knowing that HM wouldn’t have taken the action as quickly as they wanted, they have clearly taken matters into their own hands to force her hand. It’s likely Harry that pushed this, knowing how his family work, but Meghan that gave him the confidence to finally stop towing the line with the institution. The commercialisation stuff is likely pushed by Meghan though – I imagine she has more expertise in that area.

I understand why they wanted to do what they have done and if that’s what their end goal was, they would have been supported. However, the way in which they have approached it is extremely crass. They have responsibilities here. As a member of the Royal Family, you’re born into privilege but you’re also born into duty. After enjoying 35 years of privilege, Harry could have put a bit more time into his obligations before he quietly faded into the background once Charles had been on the throne for a while. He could also have ensured that Meghan properly understood what she was getting herself into but they rushed into this (again, the reasons for this are understandable). This is, I think, where we see the difference between the queen and the rest of the Royals – for her, duty comes first (William and Kate seem to be coming round to this too). For others, duty comes after happiness. I’m conflicted which should come first in their roles, but they will have to pick one, not this strange halfway house that they seem to have decided on which they think will please everyone. It’s done quite the opposite.

HairyToity · 09/01/2020 14:00

I think they've rushed into it, however I suppose if they'd left it for the Queen and Prince Charles to come round to the idea it would have takes ages, and they would have tried to persuade them out of it.

They have hit the trigger button.

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Frenchw1fe · 09/01/2020 14:20

I wonder if the rush to step down means there is a financial deal in place and waiting for the go ahead from the Sussexes.

MissEliza · 09/01/2020 14:31

@KenAdams She jumped into royal life with both feet eg going on visits with Harry. before they were married. She should have taken her time to ease into the life. Moreover Harry was allegedly advised by William to slow the relationship down and this was the beginning of the rift. They seem to refuse all advice then blame everyone else when it goes wrong.

KatyCarrCan · 09/01/2020 14:32

I think the newspaper that broke the moving to Canada story hinted at deals already being in place. In which case, I wonder if H&M are trying to push the launches through as quickly as possible. If (as rumoured) they launch items in Sussex Royal. It's another attempt to force the RF to let them keep their titles. It all looks quite tacky and grabby.

thebabessavedme · 09/01/2020 14:41

when all is said and done the person I feel most sorry for is Archie, wether his parents like it or not he has been born into the british royal family and all that goes with that position, it would seem that with the stance his parents are taking that he is not likely to see much of his extended family (George, Charlotte etc) Archie is in an almost unique position in the world which only a very few can truly relate too and I think it would have been marvelous for him to have had people in his life who really understood this very strange way of life, I have a feeling that starring in 'keeping up with the sussexes' wont really help.

KatyCarrCan · 09/01/2020 14:44

Apparently Madame Tussauds have already removed Harry and Meghan from their display with the Queen and Price Philip. Hell hath no fury like a RF scorned.Grin

MissEliza · 09/01/2020 14:48

I'm just watching White House Farm on catch up and was surprised to see Cressida Bonas in it. She really suits being a brunette. That's completely off topic of course.

SirVixofVixHall · 09/01/2020 14:52

I thought Cressida Bonas was good in that last night, agree that colour hair suits her, she is a beauty.

beanaseireann · 09/01/2020 14:55

I see Sky News app is leading with "Harry and Meghan ....wanting to have cake and eat it."

That was my first thought yesterday when I heard their announcement.

Rainbunny · 09/01/2020 15:03

What genuinely baffles me is how they continually make a mess of communications. Why did they announce it like this, making it a bombshell for the RF along with everyone else? They could have spent time with Charles and the Queen ironing out the important details on how this could work/who pays for what/where do they go etc and then presented to the public as a positive announcement from the RF as a whole. But no, they did it and shocked and hurt the Queen, pissed of Charles and made the RF look like mugs. And of course the public are not impressed with how they've blindsided the Queen.

Why, just why do they keep getting it so wrong? I can't help but wonder if doing it this way was meant to be a bit of an up-yours to the RF and the British public.

FiveTwoFaster · 09/01/2020 15:08

I can only think they wanted it to be a bombshell. So for them, this uproar is the perfect kick off “see! This is why we need to leave!” And the US embraces them (though they already do and ker bam: into the welcome arms of their future. The rotten mean unsupportive RF can bugger off if they think they can control the Sussexes. They dance to their own tune now, bitches.

QueenMargot · 09/01/2020 15:10

They do seem to have pressed the fuck-it button rather hastily.

I think it must have involved a lot of cognitive dissonance for Harry having to work within the framework of the press and royal family when he sees them (if he does) as having played such a part in his mother's death. Also, for Meghan finding herself aligned in an organisation apparently sticking up for/covering over the Andrew stuff.

I think they should have done this differently, but when people are under pressure all their character flaws and traumas and all the rest of it can sometimes come to the fore and we act hastily rather than in a more considered way, we've all done it. It's all rather Shakespearian!

TinklyLittleLaugh · 09/01/2020 15:12

I think the writing was on the wall when they named their baby Archie (very tradition breaking) Harrison (just twee and cringy).

So many Royal advisers would have said, “Look that’s a bit déclassé and not very in keeping with the Royal family, why not just tweak it a little to something more fitting?”

They obviously just ignored all advice and just pleased themselves.

tenredthings · 09/01/2020 15:14

Tax payers have invested heavily in Harry over the years. Does he not have a contract of duty to work in return ? Megan and his baby can keep out the limelight but if he wants out he's got to pay back some of the assets he's accumulated.

QueenMargot · 09/01/2020 15:14

They dance to their own tune now, bitches. Grin

QueenMargot · 09/01/2020 15:22

Also, I think it shows people will bang the drum for sharing feelings etc, but when they spoke out last year about their feelings there was a general clenching and disapproval, certainly in the press and very probably also from within their family. People say these days they want people to be in touch with their feelings and share them, but when they do, not so much if those feelings are awkward or inconvenient. As a society we have a long way to go in knowing how to deal with all of that.

GlitchStitch · 09/01/2020 15:24

Just watching the royal editor of the Evening Standard on the news, interesting comments about security. Saying it will be a decision for Scotland Yard who will not be able to justify having protection officers sent overseas, or backwards and forwards, for a couple who aren't even performing royal duties. That you can't send individuals with families etc overseas for months at a time and the cost won't be acceptable.

DrinkFeckArseGirls · 09/01/2020 15:27

That’s the thing with putting statements online/ your own website - you can always change the wording. Not so much when you do a press release in a form of a document (even if sent by email).

noodlenosefraggle · 09/01/2020 15:29

Whoever plays PP in The Crown can do the reaction I can imagine it now.
Matt Smith can fly off the handle and rant about the death of the monarchy and Tobias Menzies can just glower and be sarcastic! They'd be great maybe we can have them instead of the real Royals Grin

QueenMargot · 09/01/2020 15:33

They'd be great maybe we can have them instead of the real Royals grin

YES! Put all the cast of The Crown in to be the royals, AND ALSO make the actual royals act in the next few series of the Crown, let's see how they life swap goes.

KatyCarrCan · 09/01/2020 15:33

Or we could have H&M from The Windsors - I'm sure they'll be a fraction of the price Grin

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