How can this news story be right (Aiya Napa rape allegation)?

[ThePeckOfPickledPeppersPeterPi]

I just cannot understand how a young, vulnerable woman can be treated this way by police and the court. Whatever the uncertainties, it just seems so wrong that she has been held, kept in prison, kept from family, while twelve potential rapists have been allowed home.

www.bbc.com/news/uk-50945206

Apparently, the police wanted to show the video in court, but the woman's defence team objected, saying it would damage her mental health. So it wasn't shown.

Thanks Groggy 🙏 and about the film - another layer of her trauma will be the feeling that the whole world has seen her exposed, in their thoughts even if not actually having viewed the film. I don't think the film should be available online or even shown in open court. It's too awful a breach of her already completely smashed physical and emotional boundaries.

Thank goodness she's British and has us to come home to. 😥

Just saw your post Devereux - yes exactly.

Bit of a peculiar comment. In this best-case scenario all parties would come out smelling of a gutter, not just the men.

I disagree, @Devereux1. Why are all 13 the same? The power balance is heavily biased; the bruised, lone-woman status applies only to one of the people involved.

I agree with posters saying the drive to protect tourism is huge. Also, Cypriot-Israeli links are extensive and lucrative, and there will be a strong drive to protect these.

ThePeckOfPickledPeppersPeterPi Because in the scenario you painted, there is no power balance, except the power of an adult woman having sex with boys. One woman wants sex with 12 men/boys, 12 men/boys want sex with 1 woman. If a lone woman consents to that, her lone woman isn't a bias, it's just a reality which she's willing to have. If you find the interaction gross, which you said you did, then they're all being gross.

@Devereux1 I never said anything about "gross". And you are wrong about the picture I painted. Please read the post properly before commenting.

@Devereux1 sorry, my last post was a bit abrupt. I never mentioned "gross". And the scenario envisaged in my post was the men believing the woman consented ("best-case" because this is better than them intentionally doing this against her wishes), and the conditions (to my mind not ideal - she was bruised and outnumbered, at the very least) under which they were willing to assume this consent.

She could be a victim. She could also have lied as they have said. How do you know which it is? I haven't read anything that provides an answer either way

At this point I think it's irrelevant.

What does matter now IMO is the allegations about her treatment by the police/ legal system. No lawyer? Pressured to withdraw her allegation? held and questioned? Told if she didn't withdraw she'd be held until the trial?

My interpretation is only from media but it sounds like cyprus is back in the dark ages with regard to legal process. Apparently even if her appeal is successful the original conviction may remain on her records and prevent her working or travelling in certain areas.

I'm so sorry ThePeckOfPickledPeppersPeterPi, I completely mixed you up with another poster! They described a similar situation, but described it as gross, not you. I apologise!

The ones erring on the possibility she gave consent are deluded.
If all the women ON THE GLOBE 3.5 billion.
Out of ALL women that exist there may be a handful, a few, double digits who would consent to this.
Even then under controlled conditions, even fucking doggers don't spontaneously opt for this.
Only porn scenarios to normalise it.

No problem @Devereux1.

@TheQueef, this is my feeling about the whole thing too. I think it's so very unlikely that true consent would be given for this. I suppose the point is that even if some sort of at-the-time assent were given/assumed, how this has panned out is completely, completely unacceptable, misogynistic (and likely financially/politically motivated). Whatever the unknowns in this case, the treatment of this young woman is horrific.

With this 'video evidence' I would imagine it's a case of 12 men she barely knew bursting into the room and she went a long with it as she felt threatened. I've heard from an interview with her mother that you can hear them both objecting and telling them to get out to begin with but imagine how scared she must have been when she then saw her so called boyfriend handing her over like a lamb to the slaughter. It's common even with one rapist involved for the victim to go along with it as they feel their life is under threat so it's hardly surprising if in the video footage she may at times seem like a willing participant.

Like PPs have said it's the sort of extreme sexual act that should involve pre-planning, safe-guarding, multiple checks to make sure the woman was still enthusiastically consenting and comfortable. You can't as a group of 12 men decide you're going to, without warning, break into the room of a teenager you barely know, have sex with her one after the other and then say 'well she went along with it! Look you can see in this video that we also took without her consent that she's not fighting us off'.

Disgusting, disgusting men.

That's a basic of more extreme sex acts. I used to know dominatrix and a feature of her work was the more extreme the thing, the more sure everyone had to be and the more checks and balances there had to be. I mean you don't need safe words for average sex.

Actual decent people know this. The first time you sleep with someone you should be seeking proper verbal consent plus enthusiastic behaviour. The hundredth time enthusiastic behaviour is normally fine. 12 men bursting into a room, I'm sorry but I'd want prior signed affidavits plus verbal ongoing consent plus enthusiastic behaviour.

The idea that a random woman would on the spur of the moment decide enthusiastically to have sex with 12 men is utter nonsense. It really is.

I 100% agree terry surely the most important things when participating in a bdsm act are trust, consent, safe-words, talking about what everyone's comfortable with beforehand. You can't check afterwards 'oh was that okay for my 12 friends to come in and have a go too?'

Apparently, the police wanted to show the video in court, but the woman's defence team objected, saying it would damage her mental health. So it wasn't shown

Do you have a link to support that statement?

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Do you have a link to support that statement?

I read reports of this on social media and on some British news website. Can't remember where, but I did a quick google and this came up with the same statement that I remember reading about:

www.timesofisrael.com/cyprus-court-convicts-uk-woman-of-making-false-rape-claim-against-israeli-teens/

Meh, decisions were made based on evidence. We don't see the full picture. What happens in Aiya Napa stays in Aiya Napa...drunk holidays and bad decisions.

What happens in Aiya Napa stays in Aiya Napa

Oh yes, of course - if only she'd thought to just leave her PTSD at the airport!

Meh, decisions were made based on evidence.

Your faith in "evidence" and court process is almost quite sweet.

@Princessleila86

I find your post offensive in the extreme. Are you a man?