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Why did people prefer Boris?

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Meshy12 · 14/12/2019 20:16

I have been racking my brain on this and I can see that BOTH Corbyn and Boris have negative points of course. And I know that brexit played a key part in this election.

But I’ve heard that many in the ex Labour heartlands had Labour running through their blood but They didn’t want to vote for Corbyn and had to vote for someone.

What was it about Boris Johnson and his bandits that offered that alternative? It’s not as if Boris is exactly more trustworthy or moral than Corbyn is it?

Why didn’t they vote for LD for example? Or even Brexit party or Greens?

I don’t really understand it

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theunknownknown · 16/12/2019 11:24

BJ was at least able to articulate in straight forward terms what his vision is
When did he do this? When he was hiding in the fridge? When he claimed there were no journalists there? When he refused to look at a picture of a little boy lying on a hospital floor hooked up to a drip? When he pocketed another person's phone? When he refused to do any interviews? When he refused to have the Daily Mirror reporters on his campaign trail?
His only vision was Get Brexit Done. The strong and stable of the previous campaign. And enough useful idiots and racists decided that that was what was important. If a single one of them believes that a Tory government will change their lives for the better they are deluded. I reckon it will be easier to find a hen's tooth than finding a tory supporter in those traditional labour voting areas in a couple of years when the repercussions of voting for a lying, morally bankrupt adulterer come to pass.

theunknownknown · 16/12/2019 11:31

The newly elected MP for Wakefield made a great speech. He said that he is there to represent the views of his constituents because that's who he works for. I think many MPs in safe seats have forgotten this
Er, they all say this on election night.
May said the same when she became Tory leader - don't see much evidence of it.
Johnson is a liar with a cabinet full of frothing right wingers. Three of his current cabinet wrote a book. Have a look for it. It's call Brittania Unchained. It describes British workers as the laziest in Europe and claims that our working rights are like Japanese Knotwood in that they clog up the arteries of business.
Good luck to everyone who was fooled by this charlatan - most of you are going to need it.

Stefoscope · 16/12/2019 11:31

'All you that voted Conservative, have you given a moment's thought about whether you might need to claim benefits if you or your DH become too ill to work? Of course you haven't. Because you don't think you will ever find yourself in that position'.

To be fair my Dad worked all his life, passed away from cancer in 2009 when Labour had been in power for considerable number of years. Despite being under hospice care for several months, and being advised to apply for benefits he was denied any help at the end of his life. Always makes me laugh when people rip the Conservatives for taking money away from the sick and needy, when the reality is Labour aren't any better for this.

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Justanotherlurker · 16/12/2019 11:31

His only vision was Get Brexit Done.

Meanwhile Labour kept banging on about a russian leaked document that apparently proved that the NHS was up for sale, which it didn't.

And enough useful idiots and racists decided that that was what was important. If a single one of them believes that a Tory government will change their lives for the better they are deluded.

This in a nutshell is why Labour lost, your ignorance is matched only by your misplaced arrogance. People didn't fall for anything, they recognised that Johnson was the lesser of two evils by a country mile. The fact that you think the above of those who rejected Labour speaks volumes as to how far the party has to move to even understand why they failed so miserably against someone as divisive as Johnson.

OhTheRoses · 16/12/2019 11:54

stefoscope dh and I are nearly 60 now but in our 30s and 40s when we had little children we had permanent ill health insurance. Because funnily enough we knew that help would only be there when our own capital was exhausted. It's called a safety net and it's what it's for.

My DC were born in 94 and 98 and I don't recall any improvement in services when the Tory government was replaced by a labour government. I also remember year long waiting lists in the 70s. When my father and grandfather were dying in the early 00s I don't remember fabulous care either. What I do remember was a hospital who wanted to charge for the removal of a hickey line because my father had agreed to be part of a research project into a new drug offered privately by his consultant.

Baaaahhhhh · 16/12/2019 11:57

I voted for policies not personalities. Simple. Labour manifesto was unrealistic and unobtainable.

Frothybothie · 16/12/2019 11:58

Would he fight for you and for the country?

Do you want him at your back in a tight spot?

I dont mean fight as in shoot etc but would he go out to get the best deal for the country or would he take second best/ get taken advantage of/ give in to the Other Side?

theunknownknown · 16/12/2019 12:02

All the fucking lols Justanotherlurker. The man doesn't stand up to any scrutiny, he hides in fridges, he steals phones to avoid looking at uncomfortable images.
He is a fraud and a liar and an adulterer.
I am neither ignorant nor arrogant. I would financially be better off under a tory government. I just don't agree that a divided society benefits any of us.
And the reasons given by most posters as to why they, despite being working class, believe this charlatan would give a shit about them are mostly bollocks. But their chickens will come home to roost soon enough.
It's actually quite liberating for me now that the tories have 'won' and brexit will happen. I can stop worrying about those that are not as fortunate or as well off as me. They voted for it. I voted for a fairer society.

DarlingNikita · 16/12/2019 12:04

Because although Boris is an untrustworthy idiot, he has people around him who will moderate him
I do hope you're right, although I suspect you're not.

BertrandRussell · 16/12/2019 12:07

Why do people prefer Boris? Simple. Have I Got News For You.

Justanotherlurker · 16/12/2019 12:14

All the fucking lols Justanotherlurker. The man doesn't stand up to any scrutiny, he hides in fridges, he steals phones to avoid looking at uncomfortable images.

Again keep up parroting failed momentum talking points.

I am neither ignorant nor arrogant. I would financially be better off under a tory government. I just don't agree that a divided society benefits any of us.

You clearly are, it's a laugh you care so much about a divided society when previously you came out with this:

And enough useful idiots and racists decided that that was what was important. If a single one of them believes that a Tory government will change their lives for the better they are deluded.

It's actually quite liberating for me now that the tories have 'won' and brexit will happen. I can stop worrying about those that are not as fortunate or as well off as me. They voted for it. I voted for a fairer society.

Yep, not ignorant nor arrogant at all...

Baaaahhhhh · 16/12/2019 12:15

Johnson is a liar with a cabinet full of frothing right wingers

Corbyn is a liar with a cabinet full of frothing left wingers.

The public had to choose between the two.

DarlingNikita · 16/12/2019 12:17

Why do people prefer Boris? Simple. Have I Got News For You.
And the fact that he was allowed to be our zany, bumbling, fun-loving London mayor for two terms.
I love London and my fellow Londoners, but I've never forgiven them for that. He was the Trojan Horse: the Tory it was OK to like because it was all an ironic laugh. Twats.

Justanotherlurker · 16/12/2019 12:21

Why do people prefer Boris? Simple. Have I Got News For You.

Such a hot take.

Says a lot about Labour, all those thickos who would vote for a red rossette on donkey have rejected Corbyn..

It's supporters are the real thick ones here, they are showing not one bit of critical thinking about how they could have lost, just keep blaming outside sources and double down. I am sure it will work for the next 4 years...

theunknownknown · 16/12/2019 12:21

Because although Boris is an untrustworthy idiot, he has people around him who will moderate him
Yeah, like Dominic Cummings, Priti Patel, Ester McVey et al.
That is grasping at straws.
There were ex Tory PMs advising us not to vote for Johnson.
Why do people insist on calling him Boris - he is not your friend. Far from it.

theunknownknown · 16/12/2019 12:23

I'll take thick if that is what consoles you.
At least I know that I voted for the right things.
At least I'm not a racist.

BertrandRussell · 16/12/2019 13:20

It's supporters are the real thick ones here, they are showing not one bit of critical thinking about how they could have lost,“
I know exactly why the Labour Party lost. I knew when I was voting that we didn’t have a hope.

cathyandclare · 16/12/2019 13:48

Do you not see how unbearable patronising this sounds. Time and time again posters have described the more vocal Labour supporters as sneering.Why would anyone vote for a party that belittles them and treats them with contempt?

I am an ardent retainer and would have voted for Labour if I could have stomached the leader and the spending plans. Like Starmer, Cooper and would whoop if David Milleband returned on a white charger. But, I had to go for the least bad option, so I held my nose and went for Boris.

Now I'm hoping that without having to appease the DUP and some of the ERG, Boris will be able to be as socially liberal as his opening speech implied.

cathyandclare · 16/12/2019 13:49

Ardent remainer!!

Stefoscope · 16/12/2019 14:10

@OhTheRoses, my parents were of a similar mindset, they were born towards the end of WW2, so were very careful with money. Not high earners by any stretch of the imagination but they always prioritsed having a safety net. They were under the threshold to supposedly qualify for some help towards my Dad's care, he was doubly incontinent for almost the last year of his life and my Mum was his fulltime carer. The point is they were entitled to some assistance from a system they'd paid into all their lives, but the incompetance of the people processing the application meant it didn't happen. I don't see administritive incompetance as being exclusive to either a Tory or Labour government. I also believe there's very little difference in NHS care and benefits system regardless of whether Labour or the Tories are in power.

Justanotherlurker · 16/12/2019 14:16

At least I'm not a racist.

Again, keep doubling down, it has worked so well previously.

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