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"Corbyn is clueless about the working class" Janice Turner in The Times today.

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Trewser · 14/12/2019 07:16

I found this article powerful and quite moving. Summed up a lot of what I instinctively felt about Labour but wasn't clever enough to express. Thanks Janice. I'm not sure how to share...

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TheCountessofFitzdotterel · 17/12/2019 20:28

It's up to you whether you take her seriously or not, but from what I remember of her columns, until her mother died in the last year she's been travelling up every week or so to look after her, so she's hardly one of those people who leaves her home town and then never goes back.

beautifulstranger101 · 17/12/2019 20:31

Thanks Lemon!

Excellent article and I wholeheartedly agree.

Lindtbandit · 17/12/2019 21:48

"In 2017, when voters barely knew Corbyn, they fair-mindedly bestowed benefit of the doubt."

The Sun - 2017

"THE SUN SAYS Don’t chuck Britain in the Cor-bin – vote Tory unless you want a friend of terrorists who’s ready to open our borders and hike up taxes as your next PM
Only a vote for the Conservatives — not Ukip, or any other — will help keep Corbyn and his sinister Marxist gang away from power"

The Daily Mail 2016

"No one can genuinely see Mr Corbyn as a potential Prime Minister."

I could literally post hundreds and hundreds of articles from our mainstream press criticising Jeremy Corbyn as useless, untrustworthy, dangerous, extremist and unelectable.

How could any of us give Jeremy Corbyn the benefit of the doubt when 3/4 of our press has gone all out to persuade people that he's the devil incarnate since he became Labour leader?

"But what they’ve learnt since they dislike and, more importantly, they sense he doesn’t like them."

Well, that's factual.

"The middle-class left, especially “check your privilege” millennials, find it inspiring that he speaks only of the poor and dispossessed. Yet the modern working class suspect he’d sneer at their aspirations for a new car, a bottle of wine with dinner."

What is this shit?

This is just spiteful made up nonsense.

ALL of us who don't have a sodding trust fund and a portfolio of buy to let properties are 'dispossessed' are one step away from destitution through illness or unemployment. Corbyn campaigned on a ticket of more affordable higher education, more public housing, more funding for state schools, more funding for the NHS. On what planet could anyone describe this as "he speaks only of the poor and dispossessed".

Bizarre.

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EnthusiasmIsDisturbed · 17/12/2019 23:22

His terrorist sympathizer friends, his invitations to IRA ex prisoners (neither part of any peace talks) , not dealing with anti semitism - all spoken about by Corbyn himself and not denied or apologized for

Keep kidding yourself that it was all made up thankfully he shall be on the back benches soon hopefully rest of the left of the party will follow their take over of the party has been an utter failure

tobee · 17/12/2019 23:45

Also having worthy intentions and a manifesto "you're going to love!" isn't actually enough. You have to be competent enough to appeal to enough people. You can't just assert the moral high ground and not "belittle" yourself by "selling" your ideas.

Again, I say, the Labour Party is too prissy be concerned with being electable. Until it learns that, having a manifesto is a waste of time. And a waste of paper.

tobee · 17/12/2019 23:46

Too many enoughs in the above. Probably can't think straight any more as I'm blue in the face trying to get this into people's politically puritanical heads.

TinklyLittleLaugh · 18/12/2019 00:11

Lindt is spot on. While the Tories own the press, Labour don’t have a chance. People are just fed propaganda and twisted reasoning and downright lies.

The only reason Blair won is because he did a deal with Murdoch and got the Sun on his side.

Labour need to be working on alternative ways of getting their message across accurately. We live in a digital age after all; they should be able to dream up something that can operate outside the constraints off the Tory press.

EnthusiasmIsDisturbed · 18/12/2019 07:27

Oh please

The days of just the press being influential are long gone - labour more so Corbyn supporters are all over social media pushing their Labour agenda- it was rejected

Momentum have been very very successful at getting people interested and involved (too aggressively for many people) in Labour’s politics there isn’t the equivalent for the Tories - but the message has been rejected

Why shouldn’t the public know about Corbyn’s background/friends/associates he had the potential to be PM are you saying this information should have been kept quiet ?

LittleBearPad · 18/12/2019 07:30

What about the Mirror and Guardian Tinkly/Lindt or does that not fit your argument.

Janice Turner speaks a lot of good sense. The Labour Party should reflect on points like hers.

Kljnmw3459 · 18/12/2019 07:32

Did all the northerners vote tory? Or just enough to win them a seat? Did every working class voter vote tory? Or just enough to win them a seat?

Trewser · 18/12/2019 08:23

ALL of us who don't have a sodding trust fund and a portfolio of buy to let properties are 'dispossessed' are one step away from destitution through illness or unemployment

No we aren't.

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fascinated · 18/12/2019 08:39

Sorry to derail, but what is that t—shirt all about? That cannot be for real, surely?

Says it all about attitudes to women... can you imagine a man wearing the equivalent t—shirt? Just wouldn’t happen. What is she thinking?

Or am I out of touch?

birdsdestiny · 18/12/2019 08:43

Its the papers fault. It's the Blairites fault. Its Brexits fault.
The corbynites are as allergic to responsibility as they are to power.

ErrolTheDragon · 18/12/2019 09:22

Jack Straw has a letter in the Times today, scathing about the idea that it's all the fault of the media. I can't get a link to the letters page, unfortunately.

reallychristmasaaagain · 18/12/2019 09:24

And it’s e fault of people over 45 too, apparently.

I read nothing in any newspaper like the mail or Sun or Times about Corbyn, I managed to make up my mind about him all by myself.

We’ll be waiting a long time for them to acknowledge that they weren’t competent enough and lost because of several things but also the poor campaign and lack of front runner talent.

reallychristmasaaagain · 18/12/2019 09:25

So not only do we have rich v poor, we have old v young, England v Scotland, North v remain. All divisive politics in and on.

ErrolTheDragon · 18/12/2019 09:37

And it’s e fault of people over 45 too, apparently.

Of course.

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dkl55 · 18/12/2019 09:47

OMG

noodlenosefraggle · 18/12/2019 09:55

Did all the northerners vote tory? Or just enough to win them a seat? Did every working class voter vote tory? Or just enough to win them a seat?
No, clearly, because the Tory vote only went up by 1%. What they didn't do was vote Labour, in their droves. Faced with one of the most awful Tory governments in decades, they thought they would rather not vote than vote Labour. Agree that in the age of social media blaming the mainstream media over and over again as they have for decades is not going to wash. Do something else then. Mobilise all social media instead of talking to each other on Twitter all the time.

Lordamighty · 18/12/2019 10:09

Labour didn’t think the northern working class were thick racists when they were returning Labour MPs to Westminster for the past 100 years or so. They are the same people & they haven’t changed Labour have.
From everything I’ve seen & heard so far they have learned absolutely nothing about why they lost and are trying to lay the blame everywhere but on themselves. I know Tony Blair is out of favour these days but he is speaking a lot of sense today.

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Baaaahhhhh · 18/12/2019 10:29

Did all the northerners vote tory? Or just enough to win them a seat? Did every working class voter vote tory? Or just enough to win them a seat?
No, clearly, because the Tory vote only went up by 1%

But the swing in those Northern seats was 10% - which be electoral standards is huge.

Also, too many people focusing on Boris, why did they vote for Boris. Speaking to many West Midlands, and Northern family and friends, they have voted for their new local Tory MP's, who are not Elite Etonites, but NHS workers, teachers, Muslim, Gay etc etc etc

dayslikethese1 · 18/12/2019 12:18

This is interesting; I hadn't realised people find the Labour Party "patronising" but I can see what people are saying. Do you think part of the problem is the LP promised too much as well so people didn't believe they could deliver? It did seem a little fantastical though I thought parts of it were good (more council housing etc.)

dayslikethese1 · 18/12/2019 12:18

*in their manifesto I mean

noodlenosefraggle · 18/12/2019 14:40

Do you think part of the problem is the LP promised too much as well so people didn't believe they could deliver? It did seem a little fantastical though I thought parts of it were good (more council housing etc.)
I think that was definitely part of it. Everyone knew Labour weren't going to get a majority. They would have had to rely on the unpopular Lib Dems and/ or the SNP to even get any business done. If someone promises the earth, but you don't believe them, it doesn't really matter that they've promised the earth. The Tory manifesto was tiny and just had get Brexit done, along with some other fairly safe things on it. Obviously if they had a majority they would be able to get the withdrawal agreement through. People just wanted it to go away. I'm not sure people give a stuff about the trade negotiations taking years. They want politicians to stop talking about it. Voting Tory has at least got everything moved on. To be honest, it doesn't matter why people voted Tory. They did, and Labour have at least 5 years to sort themselves out. They need to start by stopping blaming everyone else for their problems and take a look at themselves. They aren't doing that, or at least Momentum aren't. At all.