"Corbyn is clueless about the working class" Janice Turner in The Times today.

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I found this article powerful and quite moving. Summed up a lot of what I instinctively felt about Labour but wasn't clever enough to express. Thanks Janice. I'm not sure how to share...

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Amazing article. Spot on.
I joined the Labour Party The morning of the election, right before I spoiled my vote because my conscience couldn't let me vote for anyone. I am hoping to help try and change things from the inside.
I am from a mill town and trust me people have turned their back on Labour with heavy hearts. Or rather Labour has turned it's back on them.
Sometimes it feels better to accept the party who you know doesn't give a shit abut you over the party that pretends it does.

This piece says quite a lot of nothing. Hardly an in depth look at the issue. I’m not any more informed having read it. Pointless really.

Alan Johnson’s address to Jon Landsman About the working classes On election night nailed why so many people find the current “Labour party” repellant. I stop clicking on the political threads on MN during the election campaign because they were just voiced by childish and boorish momentum bots hoping for a rise . I will never consider voting for Labour if they’re championed by the likes of Owen Jones and Ash Saker.

Perfectly put "For the PM, the working-class north is a dragon he bought drunk on eBay. It scares him, he doesn’t understand it — he knows it’s not really his."

The bit about the aspiration for a new car and a bottle of wine made me feel quite emotional!

Minty Mabel it tells you everything about why Labour lost their working class heartlands in this election. I grew up in a northern industrial city in the 80s and it strikes very true.

Yes Trewster I felt that way too.

Well noodle it's the assumption that the Northern working class is always white that's racist (or at least ignorant)!

my parents live in Dudley North constituency I find article pretty spot on regarding why these places deserted labour for the conservatives

Lots of these people love their country in a patriotic way and see Corbyn as unpatriotic as he tries to do down the UK at every opportunity and supports terrorists, they also hate the hypocrisy of globe trotters complaining about their annual holiday to costa brava unfortunately lots lining upto replace Jeremy are also Islington socialists that don't really respect the voters of the Midlands and North just dismissing them as thick racists and we know what is best for you this is where I think keir Starmer though good in so many ways will also struggle as he appears not to understand the leave voters
I think the conservatives are appealing to the working class that is just doing OK they are not on the breadline but they have a house a car and can go on holiday and family loyalty matters they are not really interested in the latest "woke" policies

the UK has problems but compared to most places on the planet it is a good place to live for every place that is better there are 10 that are much much worse

The thing is BJ probably doesn’t understand the north or working classes but his sidekick Dominic Cummins who grew up in the north east does. BJ will defer to him regarding the north to him and he will provide counsel.

Ifnot the red wall constituencies were interesting in that they were mainly white working classes. Labour didn’t lose in areas where there were a significant BAME population

Well noodle it's the assumption that the Northern working class is always white that's racist (or at least ignorant)!
Exactly. The North and The Midlands have huge swathes of ethnic minority populations. Not to mention large numbers of mixed heritage families. I bet Lily Allen isn't calling them racists, even though statistically quite a few of them would have voted conservative. Many Asian people voted for Brexit and loads vote Tory. Momentum people only abuse the white working class though. Asians and black people are just to be pitied for not realising what's good for them.

And Boris is?!!
‘I can tell you the price of a bottle of champagne’
Fucking tosser

Lots of talk in the political world about the left-right spectrum becoming irrelevant and switching to more of an open-closed spectrum. Eg pro-free trade/globalism/immigration against isolationism/nationalism/closed borders. The same thing is happening in the US. If current trends continue, it looks like the next election will be fought over the same Northern seats who are typically much more on the closed side.

Makes you wonder which party will try to represent those of us that are on the open side.

The piece isn't about Boris directly. It's about the disaster that Corbyn had in the North.

Yy noodle.

The thing is BJ probably doesn’t understand the north or working classes but his sidekick Dominic Cummins who grew up in the north east does. BJ will defer to him regarding the north to him and he will provide counsel.

Dominic Cummings may have been born in the NE but his family were well-off, he has an uncle who was a Lord Justice, he went to an independent boarding school and attended Oxford. I would suggest he knows as much about the working classes as BJ, which is to say very little.

So if none of the Tories understand the working class, how did they manage to appeal to them?

Er, Brexit

So they understood that they wanted Brexit then, didn't they? Unlike that dimbo Corbyn.

The piece isn't about Boris directly. It's about the disaster that Corbyn had in the North.

But if it's saying Labour lost the North because they didn't understand the working class vote, then the same will be true of the Tories at the next election. "Get Brexit done" may have been enough as a lone strategy for this election, but the idea that the Conservatives have any policies that benefit the working classes is laughable.

How would she know? Anyway, Times journalists think the working class don't exist.

She was born and brought up in Wakefield/Doncaster. She knows!

I think the conservatives are appealing to the working class that is just doing OK they are not on the breadline but they have a house a car and can go on holiday and family loyalty matters they are not really interested in the latest "woke" policies
This is absolutely spot on I would say.

Absolutely agree with Janice. I have family in a region that has been Labour since before the war, and now has a female Tory MP.
Corbyn’s student idealism, stuck in one place for his entire political life, has no idea about the lives or communities of people in places like this.
My facebook is full of comfortably off people calling anyone who did not vote Labour “selfish and greedy”. It is this attitude that has helped sink the party. Corbyn and his chanting mob have let down the people they purport to represent.

Ifnot the red wall constituencies were interesting in that they were mainly white working classes. Labour didn’t lose in areas where there were a significant BAME population

Not true. My father lives in Sandwell, which is ethnically diverse. West Brom lost a Labour seat that had been held since 1974.

Labour didn’t lose in areas where there were a significant BAME population
You have really never been to Keighley have you? Or Dewsbury. 😂
(If by BAME you mean Brown/Asian-it's a very all an compassion term..)