Prince Andrew Part 2

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Here is another thread to discuss the PA interview and its repercussions.

I think the old lie of

'People make up stories because they want money'

Is one that should well and truly be put to bed. It's very insulting to keep trotting it out (same in the case of Michael Jackson's victims). It's very difficult for victims to bring their perpetrators to justice when this is happening. And in 2019 it's indefensible.

It seems very strange to me that people think Virginia Roberts would make this up. People have been aware of it for at least the last 10 years. It's delusional to think the photo is doctored as well

Have you all watched 'The Prince and the Pedophile'? One of the people interviewed there who had known Epstein stated that it was impossible to spend any time around Epstein and not to be fully aware what he was doing.

I would love to know what the authorities found in Epstein’s various homes. If the reports are true that he had everywhere fitted up with cameras (which rings true, if he was in the business of blackmail or wanted some insurance), then that will demonstrate one way or another how deep PA was in all this shit.

60 minutes Australia documentary on Epstein m.youtube.com/watch?v=VQOOxOl9l80
Epstein wasn't discreet and it goes back to the old saying birds of feather flock together.

I did watch the prince and the paedophile. I fail to understand how anyone could not have noticed what was going on when staying there. Those girls on the police tapes; they were so young, it’s heartbreaking. Who staying with Epstein wouldn’t have questioned why he had a stream of young girls coming and going?
And I feel strongly that Virginia did not make this up. What on earth would she have to gain by this?

Pity for someone very old and near the end of their life.

It's a a very privileged life though, sparepity for those who have had an awful life.

One doesn't rule out the other.

Why are we pitying Philip? Have I missed something? He has led an absolutely CHARMED life. Travelling to all parts of the world first class, no responsibilities whatsoever except to shake a few hands, countless affairs (apparently), doing exactly what he wants to do when he wants to do it, staff on call 24 hours a day, including doctors, never having to lift a finger.
Why should we feel sorry for him??

Why should we feel sorry for him??

God only knows some people need to get their priorities straight. He's not even nice to the Queen (shouts at her in public apparently).

Incredibly shallow Roussette - life is about more than travelling first class.

He had an awful start to life - mother in a mental asylum, father gambling in Monte Carlo, the sister who 'mothered' him was killed in a plane crash.

He's not perfect (which of us is?), but he's lived a decent and productive life.

I have never seen or heard anything about him shouting at the Queen in public - where did you see that Moomin8?

@ajandjsmum

I totally agree. His father was an alcoholic womaniser too. He has been a loyal loving husband to HM in spite of the alleged affairs. She has said herself she couldn’t have done it without him.

There are far far more elderly people in this world I feel sorry for, those poor old sould that have struggled through horrendous times all their lives. If that makes me shallow ajandjjmum, I'll take that. He has been in a loving marriage and 70 years plus of a cosseted life and has reached 98 years old, I just don't feel sorry for him.

souls

'Loyal' and 'affairs' rather contradict each other, don't they

I don't have a limited amount of compassion - I feel sorry for anyone who has struggled or is struggling. And I'm sure that the world contains many 'wealthy' people who haven't had an easy time of it at some point in their lives.

I'm not saying you are shallow Roussette, but to judge people on whether they travel first class is shallow. I'm absolutely sure that PP hasn't always been able to do what he wanted, when he wanted - and I for one would be very proud to leave behind me a legacy like the D of E Award scheme.

I admire the D of E award scheme, as I admire the Prince's Trust. I'm just not sure why I should feel sorry for him at 98 years old. I don't get why. I'm not being obtuse, I honestly don't know. I too feel for those that have struggled. Has he? How do you know that?

Yes, he might have had a bumpy start, yes he has had to follow the Queen around, but I imagine he is pretty much at peace with himself at this age, and not a tortured struggling soul.

And exactly how much did he do to establish the DofE scheme apart from giving it his name?

And exactly how much did he do to establish the DofE scheme apart from giving it his name? Oh come on Bertrand that's churlish in the extreme. The D of E may be a complete bastard in your eyes but I can completely imagine him setting the scheme up.
I thought this thread was about Andrew and his disgusting behaviour.

BelleHathor thank you for putting the link to the 60 Minutes programme. Mind blowing how Epstein got away with it. I was sexually abused at 19 so it's all very triggering for me. My abuser got away with it. I didn't report it as I thought no-one would believe me. I'm so glad Epstein's victims are being believed.

But I am worried that the other abusers are going to get away with it. I think that if they keep a low profile people will forget and nothing will happen.
I also don't believe that Prince Philip is the reason that Prince Andrew turned out like this. I think it was his whole life, having servants, money, status, surrounding himself by people who only say yes and his biological make up have done this. My parents are abusive and I am not abusive, even though the statistics say I should be abusive. My dad wasn't abused and he's a psychopath. Sometimes it's just how you're made.

Some people lack imagination I think.
no responsibilities whatsoever except to shake a few hands
The royal family spend their lives trailing round new hospitals/ new community centres / restored buildings/ theatre they aren't interested in/meeting visiting dignitaries from all over etc etc etc - can't think of a worse way to spend my time!

I would like all the trappings of being royal, the money, travel, assistants, housekeeper, clothes etc.
But no no no way would I want their Life especially the life of HMQ! Having nearly every hour of your day timetabled. Not being able to just wander off & do your own thing or have a duvet day. Plus the job on the whole sounds extremely tedious & boring.
So the money, clothes, travel, etc make up for it.
How do I know this. A few of my family members have worked for HMQ in various roles for years, now retired.

But it doesn't excuse bad or criminal behaviour, rather the opposite.
In that position you should damn we'll make sure you are being a good, kind & law abiding person like we all should be even though we're not always 100% all of the time.
Prince Andrew should be throughly ashamed of himself.

I don’t think their lives are as dull and regimented as a check out assistant at Tesco, to be honest.....

The job isn't all that. I'd rather work in Tescos (have done that but different store when younger)
But then on the other hand I'd rather not do either.

I've been wondering who the 'puppet master' is in all this and unfortunately only come up with more questions.
Are all male RF masons?
Who is 'higher' than the GB crowd?
Keep returning to Masons

S F was meant to be at an appointment in W T C on that Tuesday.

Lucky for her she cancelled at the last minute.

She’s laughing cos she’s untouchable.