Prince Andrew Part 2

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Here is another thread to discuss the PA interview and its repercussions.

The Nazis used occult knowledge too.

The Nazis used occult knowledge too.

Exactly. There have been mainstream TV documentaries about them.

Don’t forget Raiders of the Lost Ark.

It's like some people just can't bear the thought that there are some human beings who do terrible things, and so they have to find a way to label them as supernatural / vampires / not of this world or something.

Not at all @OxfordCat people are allowed to have differing opinions.

Moomin, JS was generally well thought of, considered somewhat eccentric but no more than that. When everything came out after he died it was a shock to some people. There were a few rumours at the BBC but there are rumours about all sorts of people.

When I was at school I can remember how liked Jimmy S was, a girl I knew at school had met him a few times, he got her onto Top of the Pops regularly and she adored him! A friend of mine told me his school raised money for one of JS's pet charities.

Even my mum liked him!

It's amazing how he got away with it for so long, horrible man but some just do.

@Bluerussian I guess so. There are predators in all walks of life and they have to come across as decent or they wouldn't fool anyone.

I just find it strange that JS was into the 'teachings' of Alistair Crowley.

“JS was generally well thought of, considered somewhat eccentric but no more than that.”

Really? I grew up in the late 70s/early 80s and we all thought he was a creepy fucker. My mum used to make dark comments about what a weirdo he was. We’re from Yorkshire though, and she and her friends would all have gone to his discos in the 60s, so maybe that’s how she’d heard the rumours.

I agree that nobody thought he was fucking corpses, stealing their glass eyes and having them set into rings. That kind of thing is so outlandish there is almost immunity in excess - he himself used to tell that story to the press, and everybody thought he was making it up because it sounded so deranged.

Kissed a frog quote

It's gone all quiet at the DM. One discrete Andrew story below the fold with only few reader comments. Is the public ready to move on to the next news item?

Dare say they are waiting for PC to have his two pennorth

I think what really upset & horrified the general public about JS when it all came out was it just seemed so outrageous that a man who seemed a bit eccentric, adored his old mum, came across as asexual & did loads of charity work & seemed quite nice was really a monster hiding in plain sight. (Well to a big majority of us he seemed ok)
Now this is completely made up but we'd all have the same shock, revulsion & outrage if we suddenly found out that Julie Walters was a sexual predator & had abused 100s of children or if Kylie Minogue turned out to have murdered & dismembered 12 men over a period of 20 years.
Just to reiterate those above examples are completely untrue & would never happen in a million years.

I get that Sashkin, my son and his friends didn't like Saville, they thought he was weird and patronising to children on his shows. I remember saying to my husband at the time, "Aren't kids cynical about people nowadays" .

They didn't think he was exactly a perv though when all was revealed, they weren't surprised.

People older than that liked him and, let's face it, a lot of youngsters kept schtum about abuse years ago & it wasn't generally talked about. I do wonder about my school friend who was dotty about him, can remember her writing an essay praising him. That was in the 1960s. At my school we had regular visits from a quite high profile man who abused some of the girls, that didn't come out until the 1990s!

Some of Saville's victims were poor, sick, disabled children. Yeuch.

I honestly didn't know he was into the occult, Crowley and the like, but nothing surprises me any more.

Can we get back to Prince Andrew please?

§Pity for someone very old and near the end of their life.

It's a a very privileged life though, sparepity for those who have had an awful life.

On Prince Andrew. My only misgivings is that, as often happens now, there is a feeding frenzy on social media/ in the media and without any criminal proceedings someone is hung out to dry.
I'm sure PA will survive this - possibly move to S Africa and buy a ranch or similar. But what if someone is not guilty and has their life destroyed. People seem very happy to see the results of this feeding frenzy but it could, in the future, be someone completely innocent.

Triglesoffy Tue 26-Nov-19 05:09:16
Can we get back to Prince Andrew please?
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Yes, no comparison with JS who was a serial abuser of young children for decades.

I agree with Stooshie8.

If PA was innocent, he could very easily have cleared his name, instead of twisting himself into knots when answering the questions on Newsnight , he could just cooperate with the Mer, FBI and the French authorities.

The Panorama interview is being shown in early December, isn't it?

This whole thing will not go away for PA; it's going to grow arms & legs.

Would love to be a fly on the wall when Charles and Andrew meet this week.

@Stooshie8 @Bluerussian

Agree entirely. The allegations were already known about and the police have already said "no case to answer"

He's been a bloody idiot, anyone can see that, but where is the evidance

There is a lot of issues with Virginia Roberts testimony, not least that she accepted money instead of pursuing prosecution previously.

(For the absence of doubt I believe any paedophile needs to be prosecuted, and i have every sympathy with victims)

Where is the evidence? Really??

*the police have already said "no case to answer"

Ah yes. The infallible police who never get it wrong.

There is a lot of issues with Virginia Roberts testimony, not least that she accepted money instead of pursuing prosecution previously.

Surely this is evidence of the guilt of whoever wrote the cheque to silence her !!

It will be interesting to see what comes of this as time goes on. I suspect it will start to go quiet again until either the Panorama interview or Maxwell comes out of hiding, for a price, though her chances of being Epsteined seem very high indeed once she does.

As for the poster who called Prince Philip a Nazi sympathiser - I don’t think a 16 year old boy who attended his Nazi sisters funeral some years before it became apparent exactly what the Nazi party were all about and subsequently fought against them as a grown man is a really a sympathiser, do you really?

EVEN IF it turns out that PA has not himself committed an offence (although he is certainly coming across as someone who has a lot to hide), he is guilty of massive errors of judgement and that’s certainly enough to justify him being retired from the RF (just as he would have been fired from any “normal” job for the same).
And as for the press feeding frenzy - well, he opened that door himself with that incredibly misguided interview, which raised so many more questions than it answered.