Prince Andrew Part 2

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Here is another thread to discuss the PA interview and its repercussions.

It will be interesting when Ghislaine Maxwell reappears - I wonder just what PA will do if she's offered immunity from prosecution in turn for spilling the beans and telling all?
I am convinced that this is the tip of a very dirty iceberg and we haven't see anything yet.
I bet Fergie's not going to be laughing when she realises she's implicated too and what else might emerge.

It will be interesting when Ghislaine Maxwell reappears

Unless she's scheduled for a helicopter "accident"

But surely no-one is beyond reproach? Even an institution

You wouldn't think so would you? But it suits some to pretend they are, and by doing so they reveal themselves to be part of the problem

Of course it's some of the people involved rather than the "cause" itself which fails, but since institutions don't run themselves it's surely a bit of a questionable point to make

And a "diplomatic" response by Boris could easily have been "if questions need to be asked, that's what we'll be doing" rather than the laissez faire - and frankly rather insensitive - one he gave

So we have PA, & possibly Clinton & Trump? They can’t be the only powerful men involved/blackmailed.

I’m sorry but I think this will eventually fade away tbh.

I would t be at all surprised if the photo was doctored. However I think the real truth is far more awful and this photo is just currency to use against him.
^This

I wonder just what PA will do if (Ghislaine's) offered immunity from prosecution in turn for spilling the beans and telling all?

Interesting point ...

And yes, WineOrGin, I agree that this particular scandal will almost certainly fade in time. But the nature of those concerned means there'll no doubt be another one along soon, and at some point I'd expect a critical weight of disgust which even the RF won't be able to withstand

But it’s not just the RF is it? That to me is the most sickening thing of all. It’s powerful men allegedly abusing young girls. It has ever been thus. I hope at some point it will stop. I don’t think it ever will & that makes me so sad for everyone who has daughters.

And a "diplomatic" response by Boris could easily have been "if questions need to be asked, that's what we'll be doing" rather than the laissez faire - and frankly rather insensitive - one he gave

EXACTLY. He could've come out with a bit better response than he did and kudos to jeremy corbyn's response which wasn't inflammatory.... but honet

I totally agree with you, WineOrGIn, and was only really trying to stick with the point of the thread

Call me weak, but I've only got so much mind space for this filth - and if we were actually told just how far it spreads I believe some would still refuse to accept it

Funnily enough @Hinchunup the article you posted villagemagazine.ie/index.php/2017/11/boiling-over/
I read it earlier this morning after reading about the very sad case of 6 year old Mary Boyle
www.bbc.co.uk/news/stories-50404378

Now it's good the BBC have highlighted the Mary Boyle disappearance but why now, there's no significant anniversary. Is it a coincidence or a case of journalists firing warning shots against certain people that the whole house of cards is about to topple?
I think on the whole the BBC are quite clever in a subtle way, e.g. storylines in dramas which showcase current topics & have little digs at the status quo/government/establishment or something with a ring of truth in it yet these storylines are written months sometimes years in advance.

Any minute
I too couldn’t give a flying fuck about the sprogs wedding
But you need to follow the money
That’s what this family is all about.
Money from the masses to keep their machinations afloat.
Look how fergie and PA have been driven by money to such a PCN extent they’ve consorted with the dregs of society

How many sure start nursery places could’ve been funded for families on low incomes in Cornwall or Lancaster for eg

The queen as the wealthiest woman in Britain is not above reproach.

I haven’t been able to verify this but someone mentioned dipping into some money for heating one of the palaces...I don’t know..I haven’t heard that story but if we dig deep enough..I’m sure we’ll find plenty of examples.
This family is all about maintaining the status quo and they will fight long and hard and go to any lengths to do it.

PA has blown it wide open..he will never be forgiven.

Wonder if this was the story the PP referred to re poverty grant

www.theguardian.com/uk/2010/sep/24/queen-poverty-grant-buckingham-palace

Apart from the horrific sex crimes and trafficking aspect, I hope this really blows open the whole seamy side of Royals merching and monetizing their connections. I'm thinking of Zara and her advisory roles, Harry and Travelyst and Fergie with every move she makes.

Kudos to Jeremy corbyn's response
Jeremy Corbyn knows he has no chance of getting in government and can afford to be a little cavalier in his responses

Princess Beatrice behind the car crash interview...been in tears ever since

Wait until big bad wold uncle charlie gets his hand on the crown...she hasn’t seen anything yet.
I expect their hrh to go.

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7718663/Princess-Beatrice-helped-set-father-Prince-Andrews-car-crash-BBC-interview.html

That photo
In its entirety

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7718689/Picture-haunts-Prince-Andrew-seen-time-revealing-house-interior.html

Hang on, Dowser - so if thr Mail are telling the truth, it seems they've had the full photo for some time and received it from Virginia herself?

I wonder what else they've got which we haven't yet seen ...

(And yes, I was that PP who mentioned the application to the poverty fund for palace heating)

That village article was written by Gemma Doherty.
She has gone full alt right in recent years. Her facts may or may not be correct- I dont know enough about the case to comment - but she has a particular perspective .

An interesting take by Helen Lewis -

www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2019/11/prince-andrew-oblivious-jeffrey-epstein-interview/602179/?utm_campaign=the-atlantic&utm_term=2019-11-18T22%3A13%3A13&utm_content=edit-promo&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter

Are they (whoever briefed the DM - I assume a palace source or someone close to PA) trying to blame Beatrice for this whole fiasco? That’s a bit low.

I went to school with Helen Lewis. Her family must be proud of her - she's a great journalist now.

Apparently, it has been reported that the FBI have the original print. And they refuse to allow other parties to examine it. So we have no idea whether the FBI image is indeed the original print, or a print of a manipulated image, or whether there is an original negative.

@Packingsoapandwater What a ridiculous comment. As if the FBI are going to hand over a crucial piece of evidence in a case like this (or any case for that matter) to “other parties”. Why on earth would they? Do you not think they have their own experts who are perfectly capable of analysing and identifying fake photos?

And the DM link that a pp posted - explaining how journalist Sharon Churcher came to meet Virginia Giuffre and see the photo in the first place - rather disproves your theory doesn’t it?

Virginia can recount the circumstances in which the photo was taken and I believe her. Stop playing armchair detective and trying to discredit the real victim here, please. I think she has suffered enough.

Beatrice is just as self serving and entitled as her awful parents. They've enough money to give her the wedding of her dreams, yet she wanted all this gone so she could have a grand wedding. Pathetic. And why on earth would she be advising her dad. She's as removed from reality as they are. This story keeps snow balling and I'm now convinced there is something far more sinister that is being buried. every single person I have spoken to about this thinks this is the beginning of the end of the monarchy, and about time too!!

I'm absolutely not a royal or PA supporter on any level but the opening gambit in that Helen Lewis article is ridiculous. It rounds on him for daring to attend a shooting weekend and accuses him of living on a different planet than everyone else. PA cannot help being born into the royal family and is he not supposed to socialise at events such as these and instead attend the darts match down the local pub. Thousands of people around the world attend shooting events, polo, yatching etc etc It is simply reverse snobbery and slinging arrows for the sake of it. Normal people are at every layer in society and are poor, rich and everything in-between. Yes, he's hopelessly out of touch and living in a bubble but that's what wealth can create and I guarantee that pretty much anyone born into (or indeed acquiring) wealth would be exactly the same. He is very probably guilty of many things but this isn't one of them.