What true crime has left you baffled?

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I'm watching a show on sky crime called, "Who killed Garrett Phillips."

I'm baffled at how the police came to the conclusion that their main suspect did it. Apart from the fact, that he was on camera in his car at the school (he worked there) and the victim was also on camera 7 seconds later, nowhere near his car.

It is truly bizarre.

casefilepodcast.com/podcast-archive/ worth a listen if you've got hours to spare. Australian programme featuring UK and Australian cases.

Louise Kay. Vanished in her car in 1988 without a trace. Possibly the victim of serial killer Peter Tobin

@whitershadeofpale thanks for that! I’m baffled by the crime not baffled by it not being solved. Misunderstood the OP query. Does it matter?

Misunderstood the OP query

I don’t think you did. It is baffling.

Claudia Lawrence, because I visited York not long after she vanished and I remember seeing her Missing posters everywhere.

@Superleo837 I wasn't having a dig or anything! It's just that often, as in many of the cases we're discussing, later developments mean that accepted wisdom changes. I genuinely didn't know if there was something I'd missed that meant there was a mystery surrounding the case.

Just read about Junko Furata. That’s really harrowing

@whitershadeofpale what case are you talking about with the shoes? I can’t find the original post about it that you’re replying to.

@Examssuck

I’m guessing the death of Kendrick Johnson

Yes, the Kendrick Johnson case. An awful accident imo.

@DampSquid I live very near where Louise is from. I can't believe the police or council won't allow to dig up the garden in Brighton. That missing case haunts me! And a lot of the area

@hardyloveit seems crazy to me, if a known serial killer buries victims in his garden you'd think they'd check his other addresses wouldn't you?

Through very convoluted connections (ie husband's ex work colleague's brother's wife) I know of someone who disappeared without trace in the early 2000s. She was a middle aged wife and mother and went missing from somewhere in the West Country,, I think Devon. Never heard of again.

The crime that baffles me that hasn't been solved is the jogger who pushed a woman almost under a bus on Putney Bridge a couple of years ago. Decent cctv shared everywhere ... still no one has been convicted.

Next, yes that was chilling to view, that poor woman and the poor bus driver, what a total shock, and noone caught yet. Bastard could do it again.

I've looked up Trudi Benjamin, and have to concur with @FelicityFeather that she's got a major case of the moony eyes:

Getting to know Jeremy through his letters over the last four years has been a privilege. In my opinion he is a very intelligent, articulate, resilient and honest individual. He has a very dry sense of humour which has often cheered me up. Jeremy offers help and advice when asked and has never failed to support me in my normal life struggles. His strength of character is the single most important reason why he has kept going nearly three decades. Jeremy never wants his friends to worry about him and I’m pretty sure he hides how hard it is at times to keep his head above water, even so I never hear any self pity or thoughts of giving up. It is his sense that the truth will finally prevail which keeps him going. In the very first letter Jeremy wrote to me about his case he said “….never miss an opportunity and make hay while the sun shines – but most of all tell the truth always, never be tempted to lie or misrepresent the situation and above all else work hard…” Jeremy has exhibited these qualities to me over and over and it is why I will continue to campaign for him until I witness him walking free from The Court of Appeal also and I have a feeling that day isn’t long away.

So many Beverly Potts, Evelyn Hartley, Mary Boyle and Patricia Curran and the subsequent cover up to name a few.

The case of Joshua Vernon Maddux is very strange. I don’t think it has been mentioned yet.

I now can't sleep for the past 2 nights having read some of the cases mentioned here. I don't know why I did it. 'The lost girls of Panama'; even though I actually don't think there was foul play, just the horror of it was kind of spelled out in the eerie photos.

And the West Memphis Three case, having looked it up in detail, seems the true story is just about known but because of an Alford plea, there is no onus on anyone to bring the main perpetrator to justice. I wonder does anyone work independently on the case, or do law enforcement still try.

Jeremy Bamber, far from a clearcut case.

I don't think there is much strange in the 'case that shall not be mentioned'.

Maura Murray, I followed that case since I lived in the States and it’s funny when something bad happens in a small town/rural area how many misfits are eventually thrown up as viable suspects. There is one particular suspect who has been mentioned several times on less than mainstream sites and 2 other potential from the same town. I really believe that she was picked up whilst walking away from her dui (and where the dogs lost her scent 100m away from the crash site) and just that bad set of circumstances saw an opportunistic individual take his opportunity. It was shutdown fast, due to family being in high places.

Claudia Lawrence.
Everytime her name comes up on local news feeds I hope the police have arrested those who killed her.

And just the like 'the case that can't be mentioned', Maura Murray's case if ever to be solved now doesn't encompass just nailing the perpetrator but the individuals who covered it up either wilfully or from a place that involved deviation from standard law enforcement practices because they were told or believed what they were being told. Too many heads would roll.

Could someone kindly pm me the case the can’t be mentioned? I haven’t got a scooby!

@OkayGo MM should give you a clue.

It's Madeline McCann - it can be mentioned but not in any detail that may go against mn's reputation for "making parents lives easier". Their words, not mine.

I've been ill the last few days and unable to sleep, so watched the entire documentary on sky on the east area rapist/golden state killer.

@Avenilson

Joshua Maddux- definitely foul play there. He was found upside down in a chimney wearing just a top whilst his clothes were inside the cabin with a breakfast bar covering the chimney stack.

Nicola Payne. She was quite close to me in age when she went missing. Earlier this year (I think) they seemed to make a breakthrough but nothing came of it.

I think sometimes like in the Nicola Payne case, the evidence gathered comes near but falls short of conviction. That is why they use Grand Juries in the states, rather than like here in Ireland where it's always 'the case was sent to the DPP" and nobody ends up charged.

The DPP (Director of Public Prosecutions) is a public appointment yet private office if you know what I mean and decisions are made within their own expertise with nowhere else to go for those who want to push further, unless you have money to go to European courts.

There is a case near I live where a young father was murdered and 'word on the street's everybody knows who did it, his parents are tormented and yet evidence gathered is not enough to take to trial because no DNA, no forensics and the mafia mentality of observers.

And a word to Coleen Rooney would be in a court of law apparently anything anyone does on a device is admissible but unless you can prove who is sitting behind the device at the time, it won't wash with a jury. This is how Casey Anthony got off, how to manufacture chloroform, how to kill gently, all searches from the house computer; Jurors expect more now, they expect DNA, hell a photo or CCTV would be good. Circumstantial evidence just does not cut it.

@misspiggy19 - Is it definitely foul play or could it be like the Elisa lam case, it is beyond solving now?