What true crime has left you baffled?

[TaliZorahVasNormandy]

I'm watching a show on sky crime called, "Who killed Garrett Phillips."

I'm baffled at how the police came to the conclusion that their main suspect did it. Apart from the fact, that he was on camera in his car at the school (he worked there) and the victim was also on camera 7 seconds later, nowhere near his car.

It is truly bizarre.

Ha busted @BertrandRussell !

"BertrandRussell Wed 30-Oct-19 19:28:26

*solve

SerafinaPekkola Wed 30-Oct-19 19:28:04

Are you all reading whatever this horrific think is because you think you might be able to slice the crime?"

LOL.

We need a Sherlock smiley

Congratulations! I’ll never question the effectiveness of armchair detectives again!

The Keli Lane case here in Sydney has been extremely interesting and there’s an excellent doco about it on Netflix too. Woman from a good family, had two babies in secret and puts them up for adoption, then has a third secret pregnancy and the baby goes missing, never to be found. She says the baby’s father has taken her, but he has never been tracked down.

Possibly a huge miscarriage of justice as this was the late 1990s and the police over here at that time were hugely corrupt but Keli Lane is also spiky and somewhat obstructive.

She’s another one who was offered a shorter prison sentence in return for the place of the baby’s body but insisted she wasn’t guilty.

And it’s true what someone said much earlier upthread about the Beaumont killings (as well as the probably related Joanne Ratcliffe and Kirste Gordon murders) being the end of the age of innocence. Lots of older people have told me how in the 50s and 60s they would just travel all over by train and bus, heading out for the whole day etc.

So was it found out who took the Beaumont children or is that one still unsolved?

I never believed that Sion Jenkins was guilty. It simply wasn't realistically possible within the timeline.

Congratulations! I’ll never question the effectiveness of armchair detectives again!

No one has ever been found guilty of the Beaumont Children murders but they do have a few suspects - mainly in prison or dead.

@BertrandRussell well done for owning your sock puppet ing

Ironically, it wasn’t intentional sock puppeting. It was sheer incompetence trying out a new “name personality”. I’m not cut out for a life of crime - I think I’ll stick to being an austere philosopher, not a wild witch!

I don't think it can really be classed as sock puppeting, you weren't cheerleading yourself or changed tack to be contentious. Pretty funny really

Yes- both my personalities are in complete agreement....

I think...(she said, cautiously) that it's not so much the 'armchair detecting' that I would be looking for, if my loved one had been the victim of an unsolved crime. More the fact that their name was still being talked about, that they hadn't just slid into that 'cold case' place where nobody was bothered and everyone just shrugged and said 'oh that was years ago'.

I'd want their name to be mentioned every day. And to know that others still kept them in their thoughts.

I am very fortunate NOT to be in that position, but if I were - well, that's what I'd want.

Maura Murray

Yep.

Nairn banker Alasdair Wilson, short on his own doorstep. Possible mistaken identity.

That was a really shocking case. I often wonder who did it.

@BertrandRussell sorry you're right. It's not sock puppeting at all. Just quite funny

@MintyMabel it seems very weird to me and I know suspicions fell on his wife. The blue envelope thing he came to show her and then walked back with and it then vanished - well, that makes no sense. And a contract killing would have been just that. He opens door and is shot immediately - not able to wander off in the house

‘The belief that personality Is mysterious and irreducible has no scientific warrant, and is accepted, chiefly, because it is flattering to our human self esteem.’ B Russell.

Also Adnan Syed from Serial Podcast.

@WheresTheEvidence have you listened to the Undisclosed pod? In series 1 Rabia Chaudry and her team do a much deeper dive into the evidence leaving it much less of a Did he/ didn't he case.

@FloraFoxton

It was really strange. The letter thing made no sense at all. I was also confused why he needed to take it in and go back out.

Yeah and apparently it was an empty envelope which read - Paul.
I think he must have been told to return with it. Why else would he go back to the front door as he had no reason to think the visitor would still be there? Very unusual case that I only heard of here but have read lots about the past few days.

Agree we aren't arm chair detectives trying to solve crime. Personally for me I'm interested in the psychology side of things. People's behaviour etc. That's both of those who disappear and also that of those who investigate. And evidence here does show that those who investigate do form opinions based on lifestyle and social economic position etc.

In The Doorstep Murder podcast, iirc, weren't there lots of bits of information that can't be revealed, presumably for operational reasons?

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7043907/Could-20bn-scandal-assassination-banker-doorstep.html

I remember seeing this as a decent theory for the Paul letter.

@Superleo837 what mystery is there with the Bulger killers? Surely just a horrific tragedy.

@EmmiJay I thought it was a unsolved crime too but I read an extremely in depth Reddit series which led me convinced he tragically died after climbing in to collect his shoes.

I'm fascinated by Maura Murray, even though logically I think she must have ran drunk into the woods and succumbed to the elements. I swing back and forth on WM3 and am convinced Darlie Routier and Jeremy Bamber had unsafe convictions, although I'm not sure if they're guilty or not.

I think the wrong person is imprisoned for Holly Bobo's murder.

I don't think there's any mystery around Dylatov Pass, Kenneka Jenkins or Elisa Lam, although they're often cited.

I'm curious about Jean Spangler and Kirk, I've heard awful things about him and Natalie Wood which makes me think it's possible.