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I know this is a tactless thing to post but what would happen politically if the Queen died tonight?..

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BertrandRussell · 26/09/2019 20:41

She is 93- the possibility’s there...

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BertrandRussell · 28/09/2019 14:16

I genuinely can’t see what the queen has done to be loved or respected. Longevity alone is no recommendation.

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31RueCambon75001 · 28/09/2019 16:22

@BertrandRussell perhaps she just doesnt seem to have enjoyed her life "too much,".
Like the younger ones.

eddiemairswife · 28/09/2019 16:35

The Queen was dull and dutiful. Princess Margaret was the fun one; nightclubs, lovely dresses, cigarettes; early death.

TopBitchoftheWitches · 28/09/2019 16:59

@JustForThisFred

I like her too, I'll be sad when she's gone.

Puzzledandpissedoff · 28/09/2019 17:37

Prince Charles' political beliefs wouldn't be an issue. As King he'd be simply a figurehead . He certainly wouldn't be meddling in anything political - surely he'd be very careful to do everything just right, and not start rocking the boat as soon as he gets into the role

A bit of wishful thinking there perhaps? Wink Personally I'd be amazed if he didn't consider his advice to be the only solution to ... well, anything really

On Camilla, I'm just waiting for someone to challenge the validity of the marriage, no doubt using the point that Charles had the report into its legality sealed

On the good news front, whoever's PM at the time will no doubt have a lot of fun slapping Charles down and telling him to keep his beak out of things (which should be good for a bit of carpet-chewing)

Puzzledandpissedoff · 28/09/2019 17:49

I genuinely can’t see what the queen has done to be loved or respected

I can't "love" anyone I don't know - certainly not when they come across as a bit of an emotional vacuum - but I guess she's due a bit of respect for largely keeping her head down and getting on with the job as she understands it

FWIW it's not a job I want to see done at all, but as long as someone's doing it I can think of worse

GaudyNight · 28/09/2019 17:51

I genuinely can’t see what the queen has done to be loved or respected. Longevity alone is no recommendation.

I've asked this a number of times on Mn, and in real life, and I just seem to get vague responses that seem to suggest a completely irrational attachment to someone who has been around for aeons (like the wallpaper in your granny's house) looking glumly as though she were Making Sacrifices For Her Role, and as though she genuinely believed she'd been appointed by God. The fans of the queen didn't believe it, but they liked that she did. Also, the fact that she has managed to avoid ever saying anything for six decades plus is regarded by the type of people who can't blow their noses without Instagramming it as a type of stoic miracle, as though the rest of us default to toe-sucking our financial advisers, wanting to be our lovers' tampons, and getting stung by fake sheikhs.

But yes, there's definitely something in the fact that the queen has never looked like she was living it up on the fat of the land -- if she were more of a Princess Margaret type, people would have remembered far more how cushioned a life she leads compared to her subjects...

BertrandRussell · 28/09/2019 18:05

As I’ve said before I would feel more for her if she had lovely suede handmade shoes in every colour to match her hats rather than the dull black ones. I do like her hats!

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inwantofadvice · 28/09/2019 18:11

Death and taxes are the only certainty's so the plan for continuation is already in place

Outsomnia · 28/09/2019 19:38

Her Maj hasn't put a foot wrong whilst having to deal with and have dinner with a lot of dubious people. She did it as her duty. And that cannot be put to blame IMO. She has undertaken her role with dignity and good grace.

The big thing for me is her successor. Join the dots. Ugh, sorry, but there we are.

When that happens, things will change I think.

tapdancingmum · 28/09/2019 22:05

Sorry to go off on a tangent here but me and DD were talking about this earlier whilst watching Friends on Comedy Central. I know the main BBC and ITV channels (plus I imagine C4 and C5) will cut to a newsflash but what would happen if we were watching any of the myriad of channels available to us now? Would they put an announcement up or would we just find out when we switched over?(we may have been so engrossed in the programme that we weren't checking our phones etc).

hoteltango · 28/09/2019 23:08

I think that what the Queen exemplifies for many people is the sense of doing her duty. She turns up wherever she’s needed, and mostly does the job pretty well. There’s not really been any scandal attached to her.

I think she’s always followed the example laid down by her parents, to the extent that nothing much seems to have changed since their day. I don’t know how she reconciles the notion of her position being God-given, since presumably that makes God responsible for Edward doing a bunk with his lady-love, and landing her father with the job which probably precipitated his early death. I’m not sure that she’s ever done much in the way of independent thinking. The Palace Mandarins must bless her for that, and are probably not looking forward to serving the next Monarch.

I do agree with BertrandRussell that it’s all about the institution, and the continuance thereof. I don’t think it’s just about the careers of the Palace courtiers, it’s the mindset that goes along with taking on that kind of job in the first place. Supporting the continuance of the institution isn’t too difficult if the major players are fulfilling their roles, but there have been quite a number of junior members over many decades who have taken advantage of their privilege. If Charles does get to reign, it’ll be a short reign, and he’ll mostly be able to rely on the memory of his mother to see him through. Of the rest, I think it’s mostly the women who have married in, especially Kate, who are the RF’s best bet.

The problem with removing the monarch as head of state is that so much of our laws and institutions are tied in with that. And I don’t think any Prime Minister would want to be in the history books for being the one in charge in that event.

BertrandRussell · 29/09/2019 07:33

“She turns up wherever she’s needed, and mostly does the job pretty well. There’s not really been any scandal attached to her.“
Blimey. That’s a pretty low bar for gaining respect!

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AMAM8916 · 29/09/2019 07:36

Will Charles take up the throne though? He's getting on a bit and it seems a lot like they are prepping William

StealthPolarBear · 29/09/2019 08:45

He will.

lyralalala · 29/09/2019 08:55

Charles will take up the throne if he’s alive when his mother dies. He’s waited his whole life for that job, he’s not going to turn it down.

Also he spent a lot of time with the Queen Mother and she had incredibly strong views about the abdication so there’s no way he, or the Queen, would ever abdicate imo.

BalloonSlayer · 29/09/2019 09:28

The Queen believes that all the interest, affection and adulation - almost worship - she receives, is not for her personally, it is for The Crown. The Crown is everything and it is separate from the person wearing it. This is why she gives away nothing of her true self; she doesn't need to.

Both she and Prince Philip believe this and they think that Diana and Fergie felt that all the interest and adulation was for them personally, and they think that is where the two of them went wrong. They would see a crowd and think "they are here for me, they love meeeeee!" But the crowd would have been there for anyone who was married to heirs to the throne.

However the reaction to Diana's death did kind of blow that theory.

BilboBercow · 29/09/2019 09:50

Meet the new boss, same as the old boss.

Constitutionally nothing would change. Charlie may have different ideas and he may try to modernise in some small ways, but he'll want to protect the institution of the monarchy and will continue to be just a human rubber stamp.

StealthPolarBear · 29/09/2019 15:06

Amazing to think that the queen mother who was alive until fairly recently was Charles 's grandma!

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