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which aspects of being in the EU do you object to??

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Pricedrop · 03/09/2019 19:53

I mean SPECIFICALLY. I have only heard vague 'we want to govern our own country' reasons for Brexit...

it seems that the deal that we are wanting, on leaving the EU is largely the definition of being IN the EU. so, for example the customs/trading standards aspect and the avoidance of the hard border in Ireland

I'd love someone to explain the actual issues which are hoped to be resolved by leaving the EU..

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Urskeks · 03/09/2019 19:57

I'm with you, op, and I'm frustrated when I hear people unable to give well thought out, educated answers to questions about why they want to leave.

I can tell you what I LIKE about being in the eu. I've never come up against a reason not to like it.

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Pricedrop · 03/09/2019 20:00

yes URLs, I could write a longish list, without knowing too much about many subject. But I genuinely cannot think of a single issue that is caused by being in the EU/will be resolved by leaving. But there must be some. Or people wouldn't have voted to leave

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Katinski · 03/09/2019 21:06

Pricedrop, the people I know who voted leave think that this is the only way to stop Johnny Foreigner , his wife and all their children from entering Britain, undercutting their jobs and their children taking all their children's school places.. How do I know this? Well,I happened to be in Birmingham the day Nigel Farage with his bullhorn, his billboards and banners was there and he told us so. Angry

timshelthechoice · 03/09/2019 21:07

None of it. I'm all for it.

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Pricedrop · 03/09/2019 21:35

Katinski is this foreigners from EU countries, that they want stopped then?

or 'illegal refugees'? because it SEEMS that people object to non-european/illegal people's. HOWEVER, it is an EU legislation that allows countries to remove people back to the first safe country...is it the Dublin Agreement?

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Paddybare · 03/09/2019 21:38

What gets me is that so many leavers see the EU as being so separate to us. We were the second biggest part of the EU, we were the EU.

A convenient bogeyman, will be interesting what the next thing will be.

Ponoka7 · 03/09/2019 21:39

I blame those with lots of FB Friends from the US for all the 'illegal' crap.

I hate the term illegal alien. I don't understand why people can't equate such terms with what was once used on ethnic and religious minorities and see how they are being influenced.

EmmaGrundyForPM · 03/09/2019 21:39

I cant think of anything I dislike about being in the EU. Which is why I voted Remain.

Iggly · 03/09/2019 21:41

Too many immigrants= Fear

Angry in the aftermath of the banking crisis = misguided anger as the bankers were the ones who fucked things up and all politicians sucked their cocks

My own personal view is that it’s easier to move goods around the world than people and that’s disgusting. I love freedom of movement.

I would be reassured by a logical Leavers argument - I voted remain but could get behind a leave deal if anything sensible was put forward.

3 years later, there’s fuck bloody all.

Limer · 03/09/2019 21:42

Freedom of movement. Anyone within the EU being able to move here, regardless of their employability, qualifications, wealth, age, health, etc.

DisgraceToTheYChromosome · 03/09/2019 21:43

I'm not thrilled with the Horizontal Amending Directive for Mobile Workers as it pertains to the POA opt-out and the bogus workers' representatives councils on night work exemption.

But that's quite niche, and the rest is great.

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Pricedrop · 03/09/2019 21:45

Yay! an answer....

can you explain what that is for me DisgraceToTheYChromosome?

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DisgraceToTheYChromosome · 03/09/2019 21:45

Oh, and the morning after the referendum, a colleague wanted to know why all the Poles weren't being dragged into vans and deported. I will never be on the same side as those people.

RosieCockle · 03/09/2019 21:46

Thank you for this.
I've just posted on a fb thread asking people which specific laws they object to as I see a lot shite about "making our own laws" but I never hear which ones are so awful in the first place. I have a suspicion they will mention human rights but not know what they actually are.

DorisDaysDadsDogsDead · 03/09/2019 21:46

"Immigrunts taking all our jobs and our benefits" - now that is the real "Project Fear".

DisgraceToTheYChromosome · 03/09/2019 21:48

Pricedrop : it's the rule that stops HGV drivers from working until they drop dead at the wheel, but we got a fudge called Period of Availability, so scratching my arse for 30 hours a week while unloading doesn't count as working time.

WhenYouCantRunYouCrawl · 03/09/2019 21:50

I'm a remainer but my Dad was on the fence and lives abroad so didn't vote. However, what is worrying is that, during a conversation about it all, one of his misgivings about the EU was the issue around terrorists being booted out and human rights.

My Dad is an intelligent man, he's very well read...and yet he still managed to confuse the EU with the ECHR.

Most people don't have anything specific that they don't like about the EU in my opinion. It's just that we've had forty years of negative propaganda and misinformation from the right.

BeardedMum · 03/09/2019 21:52

I am not keen on the EU and voted against my home country joining. I am still a hardcore Remainer and think it will be a disaster to leave now.

Iggly · 03/09/2019 21:52

Freedom of movement. Anyone within the EU being able to move here, regardless of their employability, qualifications, wealth, age, health, etc

And?

What’s wrong with that?

Overall, immigration is a positive benefit. People earn their money, pay their taxes then they tend to go back.

Fuck sake.

Borders are a terrible invention IMO

EskewedBeef · 03/09/2019 21:55

After years of gently probing my relative, this weekend I forced her to talk about her reasons for voting leave - it's all the foreign people that Tony Blair let in, but only the ones who are here illegally. And also GPs (not just the foreign ones) who won't work full time but get huge pensions. They're her reasons Confused. I could have cried I was so frustrated.

Woodlandwitch · 03/09/2019 21:55

As mentioned up thread we are the largest part of the EU, we fund it by £10million a year (net of our rebates).

The other countries within the Eu are not as prosperous. The prosperous European countries chose not to join the EU in the first place.
Some are on the brink of or already suffering recession and require bailing out.

Woodlandwitch · 03/09/2019 21:57

I didn’t think anyone had any issue with immigration from the EU.
People are more concerned about illegal immigrants that do cost the taxpayer money.
That’s nothing to do with the EU so not really a valid argument at all in my opinion

Sarahlou63 · 03/09/2019 22:01

@Limer

Freedom of movement. Anyone within the EU being able to move here, regardless of their employability, qualifications, wealth, age, health, etc.

The UK government ALWAYS had the power to control this - as does every European country - but they chose not to.

Ylvamoon · 03/09/2019 22:03

My in laws are pro Brexit. When asked why, it's always immigration and that (their childhood) Britain was a richer more prosperous country than post joining the EU with all its laws and regulations.
They believe, by leaving, the UK will be restored to a modern version of the 50's & 60's! (Which basically was the arse end of the British Empire.)
Yes many heated discussions, especially since 2 of their 5 children are married to EU citizens.

TheresWaldo · 03/09/2019 22:03

Freedom of movement. Anyone within the EU being able to move here, regardless of their employability, qualifications, wealth, age, health, etc

The EU rules on FOM rely on people either working, studying or otherwise being self-supporting. People can't just MOVE. The fact that the UK (unlike other countries) is not so hot on following up on the rules is not the fault of the EU. I have lived abroad and couldn't rock up in UK to get healthcare, benefits or a council house even with a UK passport.