which aspects of being in the EU do you object to??

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I mean SPECIFICALLY. I have only heard vague 'we want to govern our own country' reasons for Brexit...

it seems that the deal that we are wanting, on leaving the EU is largely the definition of being IN the EU. so, for example the customs/trading standards aspect and the avoidance of the hard border in Ireland

I'd love someone to explain the actual issues which are hoped to be resolved by leaving the EU..

They declared an open door policy in 2015. Unsurprisingly lots of people took advantage of it, including people who weren’t actually refugees.

That's the risk you run. What do you think should have happened with all those people? It was very clear they couldn't stay where they were on any stage of their journey.

And then they can use that citizenship to come straight to the UK. Which in many cases was their goal from the beginning.
Maybe it was. A lot of them speak English. A lot of them already had family in the UK.

My question was: all those people who complained that EU FOM is racist, are you complaining about the brown people who came in once they had an EU passport?

I object to the E.U having unelected officials, i object to the whole shebang up sticks and moving every 6 months, i object the the staff being paid horrendous amounts of money to keep 2 properties. I object to the EU spending our money on trivial matters. I object to the E.U trying to make us one Country. I lived on mainland Europe, my family are from Greece and Holland. I love Europe and the Europeans but i dislike the E.U

My main objection to the EU is the way it has developed from the great idea of a trade agreement union to a United States of Europe model. There has been no public consultation or agreement for that development and whilst we are able to elect our handful of MEP’s, Brussels is largely full of unelected “grey” men/women who we know nothing about, haven’t elected and don’t seem to be available to be held to account for decisions they make on behalf of the people of the 28 member countries. This includes an entirely unelected President, unless you count the votes made by their mates from within the council.

Meanwhile, 28 countries with very different cultures, far ranging local issues and long and hard fought histories have been forced together by a European Parliament that is now trying to make laws and control budgets using a ‘one size fits all’ method. I just don’t think it is fair or possible and at some point in the future could lead to the collapse of the whole thing and a horrendous fallout for all countries concerned.

People seem horrified by the idea that Leavers do not want to be governed by Brussels, suggesting it is too far removed from the ground issues of the UK to best serve our interests. However no-one bats an eyelid when Nicola Sturgeon says she wants an independent Scotland because Westminster is too far away and can’t possibly know about all the issues affecting the people of Scotland.

These are the main reasons I object to the EU. Nothing whatsoever to do with immigration or racism which don't feature in my opinions.

In addition, since we pushed the button two years ago, I feel the conduct of some of the key MEPs and member states has been incredibly bullying and it doesn’t appear to be an environment where fair and reasonable business takes place nor somewhere that has any care or consideration for people of the UK or even our own elected MEPs!

I object to the E.U having unelected officials

I object to the UK having unelected officials. Where do we join forces ?

If some folk are worried about foreign criminals ..

www.theregister.co.uk/2019/09/05/police_could_lose_access_to_79_million_criminal_alerts_after_brexit/

I object to the E.U having unelected officials
What, like the Civil Service?

The EU is much much different from a common market and Customs union.

If the EU had remained a common market and customs union I would have no issue with remaining within it.

As it stands at the moment the entity that is the EU refuses to be introspective and and accept that it needs reform before it can move on.

The fact that bestiality is legal in Germany gives me cause for concern.

What’s that expression?

If you lie down with dogs ......

The fact that it provides Farage with a soapbox and pub bores throughout the land a never ending topic of "conversation".

I object to child benefit being paid to children who’ve never set foot in this country

I object to the figures which are used to show how much money migrants put into the system when a hell of a lot of it is never spent in this country and is sent back home.

I object to the fact that Albanian street gangs are responsible for the vast majority of sex trafficking of girls and women in and out of this country.

I object to being told any opinion other than let them all in is seen as xenophobic and racist by people who are closeted from the day to day negative effects of mass migration.

I voted remain btw. I work in the NHS and I’m aware that it would collapse without migrant workers.

Doesn’t mean I stick my fingers in my ears and pretend there are no downsides. That’s what got us here in the first place.

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You do know Albania isn't in the EU right? The Albanian gangs are all here illegally. That isn't going to change.

@Asta19, you realise Albanians have had visa free travel within the EU since 2010?

Whilst they still need a visa to work in the UK your average Albanian gangster couldn’t give two fucks about overstaying or getting here by any means.

This is what I’m talking about, a complete denial of any unpalatable truths. The vast majority of cocaine shipped into this country is under the control of Albanian gangs. Our borders are too open. Not enough was done to keep these people out. Everyone who voted Brexit used a sledgehammer to crack a nut. But before Brexit they were being told there wasn’t even a bloody nut in the first place and they were racist thickos for saying there was.

Cameron handed them the sledgehammer and didn’t expect them to use it

But the fact is they are not going to go home, or stop coming, on October 31st. However, I do agree with your sledgehammer and nut analogy. Our governments are/have been at fault all the way through this. We should have operated the series of checks and systems other countries sensibly do. But we didn’t. And this is the result.

But you can’t have it both ways. It can’t be “Brexit chaos, stockpile now, no loo roll is coming through the border” but also “nothing will change we can’t stop them from coming”.

Surely it makes sense to introduce the checks and balances now.

• you people were born here
• you people legally migrated here
• you people are here working/studying legally
• you people aren’t here legally, deport, don’t let them back in unless their status changes

Is that so unreasonable?

And whilst we are having a semi sensible discussion, surely there is nothing wrong with saying we want people to settle here who offer value to the country. Be that skills, labour or services. What’s so wrong with saying actually you can keep your unemployed who don’t plan on working, you can keep your serious criminals and you can keep anyone who doesn’t want to come and offer some value to the UK.

- you people were born here
- you people legally migrated here
- you people are here working/studying legally
- you people aren’t here legally, deport, don’t let them back in unless their status changes

Ignoring the "you people" tone of the comment (because it's only hinting at racism) the problem the UK has is that it doesn't have the records to be able to make those decisions. It never has.
So you're either going to end up with another Windrush scandal, or you 're going to have to pipe down, and work out what you can do.

Now if people are happy to see another Windrush scandal - where people who have every right to be in the UK are evicted and deported with no account of the 60 or so years they have spent here paying taxes, then they shouldn't be unhappy to be viewed as spiteful, slightly thick and a bit racist to boot.

If of course people are not happy to see another Windrush scandal, then they should pipe up so we all realise that it's the majority.

Just to note, when I mention "Windrush" it's not in the past tense. There are still people who lost their jobs, homes, healthcare and a lot more and who haven't yet seen a penny back from the Home Office.

You’ve done some mental gymnastics to get a racist overtone from “you people”. I was talking the general separating people out from the population as a whole.

We aren’t talking about windrush and immigration in the 40/50/60s

We are talking about migration in the last 10/20 years. I’m talking about Europeans. I’m talking about making sure we DO have the records from here on out.

Look at the outrage when the idea of EU migrants registered was suggested. How many times did the Jews in Germany analogy get brought up. But at the same time you’re saying there is an issue with not having records? So either records are needed or it’s racist, thick and stupid to suggest they are kept.

You’ve done some mental gymnastics to get a racist overtone from “you people”. I was talking the general separating people out from the population as a whole.

OK, discriminatory then ...

We aren’t talking about windrush and immigration in the 40/50/60s ... We are talking about migration in the last 10/20 years. I’m talking about Europeans. I’m talking about making sure we DO have the records from here on out.

The two are related. The lack of records that drove Windrush hasn't been corrected yet for immigrants since. (With a note that the Windrush were British Citizens so needed no records).

Look at the outrage when the idea of EU migrants registered was suggested.

The fact all other EU countries manage to do it suggests that it wasn't quite as simple as that. No doubt because it would have involved far more hoovering up of personal details than could ever be justified.

@fluffedup

If we remain and a fair-minded government of the future tried to renationalise the water industry, the EU court of justice could scupper this as EU law is against the use of public funds for this purpose.

That's not actually the case. The EU’s rules on state-owned enterprises do not impede nationalisation. The EU does apply the rules of competition to state-owned companies, so can limit state monopolies, but they also include exemptions for services where there is a wider public benefit in state intervention - utilities, transport etc.

www.ippr.org/files/2019-01/1548088552_brexit-state-aid-jan19.pdf

The Pinsent Masons link you posted relates to state aid (not nationalisation), and the New Statesman link was an article by Kate Hoey - not someone I would rely on for independent facts.

And as pointed out in the IPPR link, the UK will be expected to abide by state aid rules in any future EU relationship.

It’s discriminatory to work out who was born here, who came here legally, and who shouldn’t be here? You can’t seriously believe that? And if you do I hope you realise that it was thinking like that which got us here in the first place

Freedom of movement. Anyone within the EU being able to move here, regardless of their employability, qualifications, wealth, age, health, etc

And because of that view, British citizens are about to lose their rights of free movement. Such a dog in the manger attitude "I don't want it so I don't want anyone to have it".

In terms of downsides, some EU legislation is badly thought out and/or understood and/or implemented eg GDPR and cookies (not even governed by the GDPR but we have those bloody cookie walls) and money laundering rules (tick box mentality). But these are massively outweighed by the upsides.

Anyway I think it really comes down to a fight between those who want the UK to be like the US, and those who want it to be like Germany or Sweden. I belong in the latter camp.

before Brexit they were being told there wasn’t even a bloody nut in the first place and they were racist thickos for saying there was

I don't disagree with this, and it illustrates the dangers of shutting people down without trying to understand why they think the way they do. Screaming racist at people does not help. Better to have a debate and educate people and if they have genuine concerns that we have too many people then listen and see if anything needs to be done.

That MEPs who want to leave the EU take their seats and receive funding- UKIP, the Brexit Party, and possibly whatever the Front Nationale call themselves nowadays.

I don't like being forced to employ someone from the EU in preference to someone from elsewhere in the world who may have more relevant experience and may have obtained their degree in English. That feels discriminatory to me, and isn't necessarily in anyone's (particularly service users) best interests.

I don't like being forced to employ someone from the EU in preference to someone from elsewhere in the world who may have more relevant experience and may have obtained their degree in English.

So you're advocating a borderless employment market? Best person for the job wins?