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Jeffrey Epstein dead

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MrsVanCleef · 10/08/2019 14:21

Al the scandals buried. DAMN!!

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Roussette · 10/08/2019 15:12

I think Perking it's gone too far to stop. Let's hope.

Some of these girls were just 14. It's abominable and the fact Epstein is dead hopefully shouldn't stop justice being done. I hope GMaxwell gets her just desserts. She procured these girls, threatened them, forced them to have sex, took their passports until they did etc. She is as odious as her father was, who as we all know supposedly threw himself off a boat when the going got tough.

UniversalAunt · 10/08/2019 15:13

Well, PrinceA will not be the first spare-to-the-hier to have brought scandal to the Royal Family.

Spinnaret · 10/08/2019 15:16

I am no conspiracy theorist, but adding my voice to those saying 'this is too convenient'.
Suicide, my arse.

Puzzledandpissedoff · 10/08/2019 15:19

It's all very well hoping there'll still be justice for victims, but that may require witnesses to testify in person

And after what's happened, let's be honest ... would anyone here fancy doing that? Hmm

MollyButton · 10/08/2019 15:20

I think he's dead - but have grave doubts over "suicide".

Let be honest he has clear "links" to Trump - nevermind Prince Andrew.

Bettyboopityboop · 10/08/2019 15:21

Suicide? How convenient.

MrsVanCleef · 10/08/2019 15:24

I think given the manner in which he has died , it has only made it worse for Prince Andrew and Alan Dertsowich. Had he lived to testify, he would've pleaded the 5th but now no one knows and the conspiracies are going to let this go on with the names mentioned

So really, its still bad news for Andrew and Alan.

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boiseidaho · 10/08/2019 15:25

Whilst of course his death is, on the face of it, 'convenient' for the many high profile people he was in a position to bring down with him, a genuine suicide is every bit as likely in my opinion. Wealthy, powerful, domineering abusers don't tend to like having that power removed from them. The prospect of spending the rest of his life in prison would have been pretty intolerable to him, I'd imagine.

I hope Epstein's fellow abusers are brought to justice.

beanaseireann · 10/08/2019 15:30

Interesting that the BBC say he was found dead in his cell and Sky News says he committed suicide.

I just hope the papers do not run with the Prince Andrew and Fergie to remarry smokescreen news.

Dowser · 10/08/2019 15:32

I think his card was marked the first time his name was connected to randy.

TheQueef · 10/08/2019 15:34

Don't panic!
It's ok it's rich folk.

MarieIVanArkleStinks · 10/08/2019 15:36

@Dowser - I think so too.

crosstalk · 10/08/2019 15:37

Very convenient for a number of the rich to whom he seems to have acted as a pimp with benefits. However I think the files and allegations are still open and a PP said there were still civil proceedings against his estate so it's still good to go.

The Andy/Fergie visit to Balmoral is fairy dust over a reunion but they could have been consulting HM on what happens if their DD1 proposes to marry a divorcee with a child with another woman. Clearly HRH was a divorcee with DCs married to another divorcee with children. But it wasn't done in a church with thousands of spectators which Andy's DD2 had this year. Or with Epstein spectacle which continues to hang over them.

merrymouse · 10/08/2019 15:37

If he were just a straightforward abuser I’d be less willing to believe in conspiracy, but it was never clear why rich and powerful men appeared to be paying him large amounts of money.

Leaving aside Andrew and Trump, I suspect many people were frightened of information he might disclose at trial or offer in return for a deal.

Rainbunny · 10/08/2019 15:40

I'm also no conspiracy theorist but this is such an amazingly convenient suicide (while supposedly on suicide watch) that spares many people from the threat that the authorities may have possibly considered some sort of plea deal with him that involves him naming names. Truth be told it's very unlikely for the authorities to make plea deals with accused sex traffickers but his unique high profile status and the high status of people connected to him might have made a difference.

I wonder what happens next? The NY prosecutors still have the mountain of evidence they collected from his mansion with god knows what incriminating proof. I sincerely hope they find enough evidence along with the testimony of existing and more recent victims who've come forward and also get the testimony of all the people who worked for him and helped him commit his crimes. Lastly, where the fuck is Ghislaine Maxwell? Apparently no one knows where she is these days, I hope she has to answer for her crimes.

feelingverylazytoday · 10/08/2019 15:41

It's possible he committed suicide. Some psychopaths (if thats what he is) don't fear death and prefer it to the prospect of years of a life that holds no interest for them.
If not, Ghislaine better watch out.

Dowser · 10/08/2019 15:41

From Wikipedia

Where are they now? The biggest players in the Jeffrey Epstein case Perversion of Justice, The Miami Herald, Nov. 29, 2018.
In January 2015, a 31-year-old American woman, Virginia Roberts (now Virginia Giuffre),[97] alleged in a sworn affidavit that at the age of 17, she had been held as a sex slave by Epstein.[98] She further alleged that he and the British socialite, Ghislaine Maxwell, had trafficked her to several people, including Prince Andrew[99][100] and retired Harvard Law professor Alan Dershowitz.[97] Roberts also claimed that Epstein, Maxwell and others had physically and sexually abused her.[99] Roberts alleged that the FBI may have been involved in a cover-up.[100] She said she had served as Epstein's sex slave from 1999 to 2002, and had recruited other under-age girls.[101] Prince Andrew, Epstein, and Dershowitz all denied having had sex with Roberts. Dershowitz took legal action over the allegations.[102][103][104] A diary purported to belong to Roberts was published online.[105][106] Epstein entered an out-of-court settlement with Roberts, as he has done in several other lawsuits.[66] The BBC television series Panorama planned an investigation of the these claims.[107] As of 2016, these accusations had not been tested in any court of law.[108]

Virginia Roberts Giuffre v. Ghislaine Maxwell (2015)
As a result of Giuffre's allegations and Maxwell's comments about them, Giuffre sued Maxwell for defamation in September 2015. After much legal confrontation, the case was settled under seal in May 2017. The Miami Herald, other media, and Alan Dershowitz filed to have the documents about the settlement unsealed. After the judge dismissed their request, the matter was appealed to the U.S. Court of Appeals for the Second Circuit.

On March 11, 2019, in the appeal of the district judge's refusal to unseal the documents relating to the 2017 defamation settlement of Giuffre v. Maxwell, the 2nd Circuit Court gave parties one week to provide good cause as to why they should remain under seal, without which they would be unsealed on March 19, 2019. Later the Court ordered these documents to be unsealed (after having them redacted to protect innocent parties). Giuffre's testimony claims that she was dispatched to give erotic massages and engage in sexual activities with Prince Andrew, Jean Luc Brunel, Glenn Dubin, Marvin Minsky, Governor Bill Richardson, another unnamed prince, an unnamed foreign president, an unnamed hotel chain owner from France, among others that she could not name.[109] As Giuffre testified, "my whole life revolved around just pleasing these men and keeping Ghislaine and Jeffrey happy. Their whole entire lives revolved around sex.”[109]

Fragalino · 10/08/2019 15:43

Dreadful that he escaped justice.

How could they let it happen.

OwlAndDragon · 10/08/2019 15:46

Another one saying it’s too convenient for me to believe he willingly committed suicide without coercion/blackmail or else he was murdered.

Dowser · 10/08/2019 15:47

I don’t think they ‘let ‘ it happen 😉

MrsVanCleef · 10/08/2019 15:52

As for Fergie and Andrew some of us are not fooled. Re: what drove Fergie into the arms of another man. And it's got nothing to do with Epstein- oh No! Much bigger and worse.
Andrew owes Fergie big time. Wink

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justasking111 · 10/08/2019 15:57

Is it law in the UK that you cannot be made to testify against a spouse?

Rachelover40 · 10/08/2019 16:00

I'm shedding no tears for his terrible ending.

I hope there will still be justice for his victims, I think there will,

Rainbunny · 10/08/2019 16:01

Yes, marital privilege in the UK covers a spouse from having to testify against their spouse except in the circumstance that they are the victim of their spouse's criminal conduct (domestic violence etc.)

merrymouse · 10/08/2019 16:11

Even if Andrew can’t be accused of doing anything illegal in connection to this particular case, it’s difficult to believe that his connection to Epstein was above board, or that he wasn’t aware of what Epstein was doing.

He really shouldn’t be representing Britain or the Royal family in any capacity.