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Police showed up at my door last night

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AbsolutelyPetrified · 07/06/2019 09:18

Namechanged for this obviously.

About a week ago I went out shopping and found a purse in a restaurant. I used to work in said restaurant and know that the manager (at least back then) used to basically claim lost property for himself, ie. if wallets were handed in he would just keep the cash and chuck the cards, jewelry he tended to keep unless clearly useless etc. so, obviously I was a little reluctant about giving it in there. That part might have been a bit silly as its unlikely that the same manager still worked there or anything or that he hadn't eventually got caught, but anyway, I didn't feel comfortable handing it in there.

I decided to give it in at the nearest main information desk of the shopping centre (very large place with a fair few info desks). I figured that the person probably didn't know quite where they had left it anyway so they would likely try one of the main desks anyway if looking for it. Also fairly relevant here, I have a health condition which makes it extremely hard to walk long distances, especially if I need to do so quickly. It can literally take me hours to walk from my house to the local shop when its flared up properly. And this was quite a bad day too. So, on the way there I nipped into the toilet, where I saw someone I vaguely recognised and was talking to them about what happened, she laughed at me for being 'stupid' enough to be taking long journeys rather than just hand it in at the restaurant as apparently my reasons were silly , something I do agree with now, especially given whats gone on. I had to sit for a while in the loo too as I was in a lot of pain. She asked me where I was going, where I was meant to be going and that and then offered to take it to hand in as she was going that way anyway and she could see I was uncomfortable and basically, it made sense. Would have taken me a fair while to get there, and if she was going that way anyway, why on earth not just..make things a bit more convenient. At this stage I was in so much pain I was feeling quite bitter about finding the thing in the first place as it was a bit of a pain that I was now responsible for getting it sorted when all I wanted to do was find somewhere to sit, then probably go home. I gave it to her and she said she would hand it in on her way round and I thought nothing more of it.

Last night when I was sorting the kids tea, the police showed up at my door. Asking if I was at X on a certain date etc. I said yes, and they asked if I found a ourse which again I said yes. They asked if I still had it, at which stage alarm bells started going off. I said no, and told them the story. They then told me it had been reunited with its owner (so why ask if I still have it if they know I don't?!) and I started breathing again. But they said, the owner claimed a lot of money had been taken from it. I swear to god I did not open the thing and certainly did not take anything from it and basically, why on earth would I go to the trouble I had, if I was planning on taking anything? Long story short, they took a very short written statement from me (saying yes I picked it up, but passed it onto someone else because convenience) and left, but I was left with the feeling they suspected me. I have never before had any issues with the police, but am generally quite good at reading people and they really seemed to be off with me.

I gave them a description of the woman who said she would hand it in, and they said they would check more cctv. I am not concerned about that as it will show her, and will presumably show her leaving the loos and going to the help desk to hand it in, given the police told me that it had been handed in and was with its owner now. However, this claim about money being taken is scaring me a bit and I have been panicking like hell since they left. I cannot make any sense of it to be honest as surely, if this woman did take the cash from it she would have just discarded the purse entirely? What would be te point in taking it and then handing the rest of it in? Trying to think 'like a criminal', surely thats just drawing attention to yourself as you would know you were on camera and would be likely to be found out where if you just discarded it, noone would know any different especially if it was not you who actually found it? Anyway, panicked a lot about it, DH came in from work and I told him and he said straight away that the person is probably just trying it on for compensation or something. Which I had not considered at all.

Basically my question is, whats likely to happen wth this?! They did not tell me how much money was said to be missing, they did not tell me much at all really besides the fact that it was handed in, she had it but is now saying stuffs missing. I have been awake since 5am worrying about this, picturing them turning back up today to arrest me! DH says thats a but over the top but as I said, I have had no dealings with the police before (oddly, except one time when I did have money stolen from my bank, a lot of it and they just said they didn't have the resources to look into it properly) and am prbably overreacting but I am terrified. Utterly terrified.

From looking around the internet, it seems I would be held responsible as, being the person who found it I should personally have 'taken steps to get it back to owner' so I assume from that, that I passed it to someone else thats me in the wrong. I just feel so fucking stupid in all honesty and wish I had just left it where it was instead of trying to help. I mean, I know I cannot walk far and in the back of my mind I must have known it would be a right pain in the arse to actually physically get it to where I planned on taking it. I really wish I had just ignored it, and then whoever else found it could have done whatever they wanted with the damn thing. Seems a bit of..no good deed goes unpunished. Even though I know I did really stupid things too during the whole thing. Mainly, not trusting the staff in the restaurant just because I worked there a few years before and the staff at that time were not honest.

Sorry if this all sounds waffly, just trying to get everything in so as not to drip feed.

My question is basically, whats likely to come of this? I mean, they are probably going to question the woman who handed it in now. Who presumably will say the same as me, and say I gave it to her as she had offered as she was going that way, and she handed it in and that was the end of it. I cannot see any reason for her to have taken it, took the cash then went on to hand it in, that makes no sense so I do think either, someone else found it first, swiped the cash then left the purse before I found it, or the person who lost it is trying it on. But how on earth can this be proved? Are the police likely to turn up to arrest me and question me officially? Is there a chance this will end up in court?! Did I commit a crime, rather than just being a bit dim, when passing the found property to someone else rather than physically taking it myself? So so panicky and might not be the best thing to write on here about it just incase it does end up more serious but, I don't know what to do. DH says just stop worrying, but I wish it was that easy!

To make matters a bit more confusing, when I was searching last night, it seems that some police forces say not to hand in things you find at all, and that the advice now is basically, take it home and put it on social media (as police don't deal with lost property due to cuts) and try to reunite it with its owner that way. That as long as you take reasonable steps to get it back to the owner, its fine. I would say that I took reasonable steps, however I didn't know that handing it in to the main desk was seemingly now classed as the wrong thing to do?! I also thought it would be illegal to open someone elses purse and would open you up to a fair few accusatins too but apparently you are meant to open it, take pictures of the ID (remove dientifying details though) and post it online, along with calling the number on the back of any cards that are in there). All so very confusing and doing nothing at all for my anxiety issues.

Just incase the post has came out too waffly to understand, short version - I found a purse, but passed it onto someone else to hand in, it seems they did hand it in, but now the owner is claiming money is missing. Am I likely to get arrested for theft or something here? And if so, how on earth do I prove innocence?!

Please, I already know I made a few really stupid moves in all of this and as I said, really wish I had just left the thing where it was. I was paranoid in not giving it to the restaurant (though still think its more likely the person would try to claim at a main desk rather than actually in there) and possibly really stupid to pass it to someone else for convenience sake rather than struggling on to the main desk myself. So I do already know I was more than a bit dim. I also know in future, to not bother trying to help and just leave whatever where it is. I have definitely learnt my lesson in that. I just want to know if its possible to actually get charged for being an idiot basically, and how on earth I would defend myself about money that was apparently taken that I know nothing at all about and don't even know if it existed in the first place!

OP posts:
BogglesGoggles · 07/06/2019 10:18

You need to calm down. You won’t be held liable for someone else’s criminal act.

AbsolutelyPetrified · 07/06/2019 10:19

Also

You are very very very very lucky you haven't been arrested.

Do you think theres a chance they will come back and arrest me? They said they already had the CCTV (and offered to show me it) so, if they suspected I did something would they not have questioned me formally at the time? Asking you as you seem to be the only one who says this is actually serious as I dreaded. I really really want to take everyone elses posts saying its no big deal, but, my head is telling me that its right to panick even though I know I did nothing wrong besides be a bit stupid.

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MayFayner · 07/06/2019 10:20

If I was the owner and had been careless leaving my stuff around, I would just be happy to have it back with my cards etc. The missing cash would be my own stupid fault

Exactly this. I have had my wallet taken from my handbag twice, and I still consider it my own fault for not having it zipped up.

Plus, I would be thrilled that I lived in an area that has these kinds of police resources.

resisterpersister · 07/06/2019 10:20

You say you used to work in the restaurant, does anyone you know still work there? They don't need to have been there at the time you ate there, necessarily, they could have seen you on the CCTV and told the police who you are.

AbsolutelyPetrified · 07/06/2019 10:24

OP - did the police perhaps get your details from the restaurant? As you said you used to work there?

Possibly, but very unlikely, it was literally like 8 years ago, well before I became ill and had to leave work. I think now people have said it, its much more likely they got them from 'friend' and am not stressing about that part too much now as that does make sense.

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BooksAreMyOnlyFriends · 07/06/2019 10:24

You won't be arrested OP.

Pinkvoid · 07/06/2019 10:24

The police can’t do shit without evidence anyway. You told them the truth and I’m sure CCTV will prove this if your ‘associate’ handed it in at the desk. Doubtful there’s CCTV inside the toilets but if they can be bothered it will show you both entering the loo and her leaving to walk to the desk where she handed it in. You’re clear, you told the truth.

It could be a case of the purse owner being a chancer claiming non existent money has gone missing. Equally the money could’ve been stolen either by the person you handed it to or before you even picked it up. No way of knowing but don’t waste anymore time worrying about it.

Outoutout · 07/06/2019 10:25

Unfortunately, from you have said OP, this isn't the end of the matter. The officer just took some contemporaneous notes from you. It wasn't a witness statement.

You may still hear more about this.

Don't panic, but don't be surprised if they contact you again.

SpongeBobJudgeyPants · 07/06/2019 10:25

I have pm'd you OP. Nowt sinister.

summerflower2 · 07/06/2019 10:27

I think there is unlikely a big amount in the purse nowadays. And if the amount are big enough to get the police to investigate further, then they can check finger print, there will be finger print of the person who took the money left inside the purse.

Thewheelsarefallingoff · 07/06/2019 10:27

Feel better, Outoutout?Hmm - I don't think OP is likely to, do you?
Don't worry, op. I'm sure it will be fine. You haven't done anything wrong.

Thewheelsarefallingoff · 07/06/2019 10:28

X posted. Likely to do "anything so stupid..."

Outoutout · 07/06/2019 10:30

Pinkvoid

You're referring to logical thought. The law is very different and absolute. Being innocent WILL NOT and has never prevented someone being arrested and charged with an alleged offence.

That's sort of how the law works and why we have courts.

The police gather the evidence, and part of this can involve an arrest and interview, the CPS (in most cases) decide on a charge and ultimately the court process decides the verdict.

NotDavidTennant · 07/06/2019 10:31

Tou were EXTREMLY foolish to do what you did. "Theft by Finding" is an actual criminal offence. Basically you took property which wasnt yours to take, didn't make any reasonable efforts to return it to it's owner or the police, you literally gave it away.

Don't listen to this, OP, it's rubbish. It would only be theft if you were taking the property with the intent to deprive the rightful owner of possession.

BringMeTea · 07/06/2019 10:31

In the era of austerity I am impressed at the level of police involvement here. Maybe it's a copper's purse.

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SpongeBobJudgeyPants · 07/06/2019 10:33

The police aren't going to be doing any fingerprints IMO. There aren't enough resources available for burlgaries etc, so I can't see this happening for an alleged theft by finding. I do have insider knowledge BTW.

pelirocco123 · 07/06/2019 10:34

I too am puzzled as to how they knew you had picked the purse up , I would very much doubt they would have been able to trace the movement of a purse via cctv , and then be able to identify you as having it ............even if they had the time and resources
Unless the person who handed it in knew your name and address

Crustaceans · 07/06/2019 10:35

Honestly, I would imagine the large amount of cash is mythical. Because whether you have to carry large amounts of cash around, you are paranoid and vigilant about it.

I might lose my purse with 37p in it. But not with £2k in it.

theemmadilemma · 07/06/2019 10:36

@Outoutout has a good point for future reference.

And the toilet bit will probs looks a bit dodgy. But I sense you have little to worry about OP.

But I mean, who's purse was it to get all this police resource? CCTV reviews, 2 coppers time? Do you live in Windsor? Did the queen leave her purse?

AbsolutelyPetrified · 07/06/2019 10:37

This story is fantasy.

I wish..

There aren't enough resources available for burlgaries etc, so I can't see this happening for an alleged theft by finding. I do have insider knowledge BTW.

Well yes, this part gets me. As I said, I know so many who have had actual breakins and stuff and apparently nothing can be done. So quite why a purse being found and handed in is such an important case that presumably is tasking up many polic ehours, is a mystery to me.

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AbsolutelyPetrified · 07/06/2019 10:42

The 2k was just a number I made up. As the fraud on my account was around that amount and I was told to basically just get over it as the police didn't have time to do anything about it. So I (probably wrongly) said that I guess the amount claimed to be gone was over 2k.

But I mean, who's purse was it to get all this police resource? CCTV reviews, 2 coppers time?

Surely has to be an actual copper or something? Its bizarre really.

I too am puzzled as to how they knew you had picked the purse up , I would very much doubt they would have been able to trace the movement of a purse via cctv

Another part that had me quite confused. But people have said, maybe the person who handed it in mentioned it, BUT that would mean that yeah, the police backtracked on cctv to get to the actual finding part, whoch surely would be way overkill for something like this? UNless they were bluffing for some reason when they said they had the cctv footage of me picking it up..kind of wish I had said yes when asked if I wanted to see it now.

My dads theory is that the person who lost it knew where she last had it and around what time, so thats how. But even that..that would show she lost/forgot it, it definitely was not stolen and would surely not warrant so much police time. If thats what happened, I would guess she did not check the info desk, or did before it was handed in. CCTV was checked, and they went forward from there and discovered it was waiting there to be picked up. But again, seems a huge amount of time.

OP posts:
Outoutout · 07/06/2019 10:42

notdavid

How do you think the sequence of events look?

OP. I wouldn't worry about being arrested. That would have happened by now. But you may be contacted again for a proper statment.

As I said please dont panic. Im not suggesting you're in serious trouble. Just explaining for the benefit of all the armchair lawyers on here who have no idea what they are talking about.

Please dont panic. You'll be fine. Grin

MummyDummyNow · 07/06/2019 10:44

This simply isn't true.

RickAstleyGaveMeUp · 07/06/2019 10:46

It does actually annoy me, the assumption that this is only being looked at because of nepotism or something. The police officers I know have about 10 or more investigations to follow, as well as dealing with 999 and 101 calls. Each crime that comes in is assessed on its own merits to see if there are leads to follow and if it's proportionate to follow them. If you report something and it isn't further investigated and you think it ought to be make a complaint. Police are under resourced and BUSY with crimes that aren't just affecting other police officers.