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Police showed up at my door last night

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AbsolutelyPetrified · 07/06/2019 09:18

Namechanged for this obviously.

About a week ago I went out shopping and found a purse in a restaurant. I used to work in said restaurant and know that the manager (at least back then) used to basically claim lost property for himself, ie. if wallets were handed in he would just keep the cash and chuck the cards, jewelry he tended to keep unless clearly useless etc. so, obviously I was a little reluctant about giving it in there. That part might have been a bit silly as its unlikely that the same manager still worked there or anything or that he hadn't eventually got caught, but anyway, I didn't feel comfortable handing it in there.

I decided to give it in at the nearest main information desk of the shopping centre (very large place with a fair few info desks). I figured that the person probably didn't know quite where they had left it anyway so they would likely try one of the main desks anyway if looking for it. Also fairly relevant here, I have a health condition which makes it extremely hard to walk long distances, especially if I need to do so quickly. It can literally take me hours to walk from my house to the local shop when its flared up properly. And this was quite a bad day too. So, on the way there I nipped into the toilet, where I saw someone I vaguely recognised and was talking to them about what happened, she laughed at me for being 'stupid' enough to be taking long journeys rather than just hand it in at the restaurant as apparently my reasons were silly , something I do agree with now, especially given whats gone on. I had to sit for a while in the loo too as I was in a lot of pain. She asked me where I was going, where I was meant to be going and that and then offered to take it to hand in as she was going that way anyway and she could see I was uncomfortable and basically, it made sense. Would have taken me a fair while to get there, and if she was going that way anyway, why on earth not just..make things a bit more convenient. At this stage I was in so much pain I was feeling quite bitter about finding the thing in the first place as it was a bit of a pain that I was now responsible for getting it sorted when all I wanted to do was find somewhere to sit, then probably go home. I gave it to her and she said she would hand it in on her way round and I thought nothing more of it.

Last night when I was sorting the kids tea, the police showed up at my door. Asking if I was at X on a certain date etc. I said yes, and they asked if I found a ourse which again I said yes. They asked if I still had it, at which stage alarm bells started going off. I said no, and told them the story. They then told me it had been reunited with its owner (so why ask if I still have it if they know I don't?!) and I started breathing again. But they said, the owner claimed a lot of money had been taken from it. I swear to god I did not open the thing and certainly did not take anything from it and basically, why on earth would I go to the trouble I had, if I was planning on taking anything? Long story short, they took a very short written statement from me (saying yes I picked it up, but passed it onto someone else because convenience) and left, but I was left with the feeling they suspected me. I have never before had any issues with the police, but am generally quite good at reading people and they really seemed to be off with me.

I gave them a description of the woman who said she would hand it in, and they said they would check more cctv. I am not concerned about that as it will show her, and will presumably show her leaving the loos and going to the help desk to hand it in, given the police told me that it had been handed in and was with its owner now. However, this claim about money being taken is scaring me a bit and I have been panicking like hell since they left. I cannot make any sense of it to be honest as surely, if this woman did take the cash from it she would have just discarded the purse entirely? What would be te point in taking it and then handing the rest of it in? Trying to think 'like a criminal', surely thats just drawing attention to yourself as you would know you were on camera and would be likely to be found out where if you just discarded it, noone would know any different especially if it was not you who actually found it? Anyway, panicked a lot about it, DH came in from work and I told him and he said straight away that the person is probably just trying it on for compensation or something. Which I had not considered at all.

Basically my question is, whats likely to happen wth this?! They did not tell me how much money was said to be missing, they did not tell me much at all really besides the fact that it was handed in, she had it but is now saying stuffs missing. I have been awake since 5am worrying about this, picturing them turning back up today to arrest me! DH says thats a but over the top but as I said, I have had no dealings with the police before (oddly, except one time when I did have money stolen from my bank, a lot of it and they just said they didn't have the resources to look into it properly) and am prbably overreacting but I am terrified. Utterly terrified.

From looking around the internet, it seems I would be held responsible as, being the person who found it I should personally have 'taken steps to get it back to owner' so I assume from that, that I passed it to someone else thats me in the wrong. I just feel so fucking stupid in all honesty and wish I had just left it where it was instead of trying to help. I mean, I know I cannot walk far and in the back of my mind I must have known it would be a right pain in the arse to actually physically get it to where I planned on taking it. I really wish I had just ignored it, and then whoever else found it could have done whatever they wanted with the damn thing. Seems a bit of..no good deed goes unpunished. Even though I know I did really stupid things too during the whole thing. Mainly, not trusting the staff in the restaurant just because I worked there a few years before and the staff at that time were not honest.

Sorry if this all sounds waffly, just trying to get everything in so as not to drip feed.

My question is basically, whats likely to come of this? I mean, they are probably going to question the woman who handed it in now. Who presumably will say the same as me, and say I gave it to her as she had offered as she was going that way, and she handed it in and that was the end of it. I cannot see any reason for her to have taken it, took the cash then went on to hand it in, that makes no sense so I do think either, someone else found it first, swiped the cash then left the purse before I found it, or the person who lost it is trying it on. But how on earth can this be proved? Are the police likely to turn up to arrest me and question me officially? Is there a chance this will end up in court?! Did I commit a crime, rather than just being a bit dim, when passing the found property to someone else rather than physically taking it myself? So so panicky and might not be the best thing to write on here about it just incase it does end up more serious but, I don't know what to do. DH says just stop worrying, but I wish it was that easy!

To make matters a bit more confusing, when I was searching last night, it seems that some police forces say not to hand in things you find at all, and that the advice now is basically, take it home and put it on social media (as police don't deal with lost property due to cuts) and try to reunite it with its owner that way. That as long as you take reasonable steps to get it back to the owner, its fine. I would say that I took reasonable steps, however I didn't know that handing it in to the main desk was seemingly now classed as the wrong thing to do?! I also thought it would be illegal to open someone elses purse and would open you up to a fair few accusatins too but apparently you are meant to open it, take pictures of the ID (remove dientifying details though) and post it online, along with calling the number on the back of any cards that are in there). All so very confusing and doing nothing at all for my anxiety issues.

Just incase the post has came out too waffly to understand, short version - I found a purse, but passed it onto someone else to hand in, it seems they did hand it in, but now the owner is claiming money is missing. Am I likely to get arrested for theft or something here? And if so, how on earth do I prove innocence?!

Please, I already know I made a few really stupid moves in all of this and as I said, really wish I had just left the thing where it was. I was paranoid in not giving it to the restaurant (though still think its more likely the person would try to claim at a main desk rather than actually in there) and possibly really stupid to pass it to someone else for convenience sake rather than struggling on to the main desk myself. So I do already know I was more than a bit dim. I also know in future, to not bother trying to help and just leave whatever where it is. I have definitely learnt my lesson in that. I just want to know if its possible to actually get charged for being an idiot basically, and how on earth I would defend myself about money that was apparently taken that I know nothing at all about and don't even know if it existed in the first place!

OP posts:
Justaboy · 07/06/2019 09:59

OP stop worrying you have nothing to fear someone has made an alleagation and the old bill have to check it out. Its to orignal owners fault they shuold hang onot their possesions better;!

RickAstleyGaveMeUp · 07/06/2019 09:59

Oh I got it backwards, they've done the restaurant CCTV already. Obviously it doesn't show the original theft.

AnchorDownDeepBreath · 07/06/2019 09:59

Thats what DH said, but surely it is a big deal if the police are showing up at my door to grill me about it all?

They'd have interviewed you under caution if that was the case. They are simply trying to track down what happened. It may very well be that the money was already removed when the purse was in the restaurant, it may be that it was removed after it got handed into the help desk, or it may be that there wasn't that much money anyway and the purse's owner is confused.

You've explained what happened, it's all fine.

Can I just ask.... Why the hell are they giving this so much police time?

It's going to depend on individual forces and how busy they are, what they are prioritising, etc. That's really crap for your friend, though, he couldn't really have done anything else!

RickAstleyGaveMeUp · 07/06/2019 09:59

Nice victim blaming @Justaboy

Hoppinggreen · 07/06/2019 10:00

If you read the OP she didn’t give the wallet to a friend but to “someone she vaguely recognised”
If the money was taken then there’s no way of knowing at what stage it was taken - in the restaurant, by you, by the woman you gave it to or by the person SHE gave it to.
Strange how the Police tracked you down though

Bluerussian · 07/06/2019 10:01

I'm so sorry for you, it must have been horrible for you to have the police turn up like that and question you. You've done nothing wrong and I'm sure that will shine through.

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disneyspendingmoney · 07/06/2019 10:02

zero proof that there was anything in the purse to start with, it's all hearsay. The police are being diligent about checking the information that they've been given.

I have difficulty seeing how this could go further and can't see how the police could bring about evidence to pass to the cps for a criminal procecution. and if who? That purse has passed through quite a lot if hands.

Whisky2014 · 07/06/2019 10:02

This is such a non event. Move on and stop worrying.

eurochick · 07/06/2019 10:03

It seems most likely that the cash was taken by the original thief before they discarded the purse. You have really nothing to be worried about. There is zero evidence that there was more money in the purse when you picked it up than when you handed it on.

Qweenbee · 07/06/2019 10:04

I'm presuming they've already talked to the woman you handed it to. She'll have given the help desk her name and address in the hope that if it wasn't claimed somehow, she'd get money- either any money in the purse or a reward.
I think the police would have already asked her, who gave your details and you'll have just backed up the story.

I don't think they'll have trawled through hours and hours of CCTV.

lemonbalmtea · 07/06/2019 10:04

Well presumably the police looked at CCTV records and corroborated with your visa payment in the restaurant to trace you.

If a theft has been reported the police have a duty to investigate.

There is no way they will charge or caution you with no evidence of cash being taken.

It's upsetting, but I don't think you have anything to worry about.

Soola · 07/06/2019 10:05

Ordinary people will find it hard to lie to the police under those circumstances and the police know this.

If money had been taken it was probably a crime of opportunity and not done by a hardened criminal.

The police do not have any proof that you took the money and their call was routine to see if you would admit it. As you denied it they will discuss your reaction and in all likelihood will accept your account so please don’t worry.

PregnantSea · 07/06/2019 10:06

If she's said the money has been stolen the police have to do their follow ups. They have no evidence that you did anything wrong, because you didn't, and they didn't even do an interview. They just spoke to you at home casually.

I know it's scary to have the police turn up and start asking you questions but I would honestly just forget about it. It really sounds like nothing at all with come of this.

AbsolutelyPetrified · 07/06/2019 10:06

Can I just ask.... Why the hell are they giving this so much police time? A friend had a trailer stolen from his property and had clear CCTV evidence of the offenders.
A lot of local properties & businesses were also targeted that night - again plenty of CCTV evidence of the gang involved and there was no action taken by the police. They gave my friend a crime reference number & told him to claim it on his insurance!

Pretty much the first thing DH said too. No idea and its making me angry aswell as paranoid because they refused to investigate a crime against me not too long ago, and I know a fair few people who have been burgled (FILs work van was broke into 4 times over the years) and it always seesm to be the case that they admit they don't have the time or resources to investigate. Yet seemingly for this, they have the resources..when it seems they aren't actually needed. I could understand if it was actually pickpocketed from her or something, but the CCTV proves this is not the case. I guess unless it was pickpocketed, emptied then left in the restuarant. But then, I don;t see why they would speak to me, rather than whoever took it.

OP posts:
Jaxhog · 07/06/2019 10:08

I guess they have to follow these things up, especially if the owner has made a large claim. My guess is that the money (if there was any) was taken before you found the purse.

Crustaceans · 07/06/2019 10:08

It’s not really ‘victim-blaming’ to suggest that someone carrying around more than £2k in cash might want to be very careful with their purse.

Jaxhog · 07/06/2019 10:09

You'll probably find that the owner is a 'prominent' person locally or a relative of a senior police officer.

Ivestoppedreadingthenews · 07/06/2019 10:12

You haven’t done anything wrong. What might be the police’s best advice about what to do isn’t the law. You certainly haven’t broken any law by attempting reunite something with its owner in the most practical way for you.

Most likely the money went missing way before you even had it. I doubt your friend stole the money.

Let it go. You have assisted their enquiries and done your duty to help. You can’t tell them about something you have no knowledge of.

Outoutout · 07/06/2019 10:12

Did they actually take a statement from you OP? As in, did you sign the form they filled in after having read what the officer had written down?

Tou were EXTREMLY foolish to do what you did. "Theft by Finding" is an actual criminal offence. Basically you took property which wasnt yours to take, didn't make any reasonable efforts to return it to it's owner or the police, you literally gave it away.

Your behaviour evidences EVERY part of the offence of theft as defined in law.

You are very very very very lucky you haven't been arrested.

I'm not trying to be alarmist. Just pointing out the consequences of what you did.

From an investigation point of view, you are seen on CCTV taking a purse from a restauraunt, heading into the nearest toilet, spending a considerable amount of time in there, then when you came out, you are on cctv handing the purse to another person and then leaving the area, having made no attempt to return the purse either to it's owner, the security staff or the police.

Don't ever do anything like that again.

LillithsFamiliar · 07/06/2019 10:12

I think you have to stop focusing on your 'friend' tbh. You don't know if she stole the money. You don't know if she thought she'd steal the money and then hand the purse in. It's actually quite common for people to steal money then hand purses/wallets in.

You know you didn't steal it and that's the only part you can confirm.

As PPs have said, I'd assume the police started with your 'friend' and worked back. Or that she gave your name as the person who found it when she handed it in at the desk (because you were the person that found it).

GCAcademic · 07/06/2019 10:13

If I was the owner and had been careless leaving my stuff around, I would just be happy to have it back with my cards etc. The missing cash would be my own stupid fault.

Quite possibly there wasn't any missing cash at all. How many people carry a large amount of cash around in their wallet these days? Perhaps this person (wrongly) thought they could make an insurance claim.

Frankly, having read this thread, if I were to see a purse left somewhere, I would now leave it where it was.

OP - did the police perhaps get your details from the restaurant? As you said you used to work there?

AssignedFuckerAtBirth · 07/06/2019 10:14

Well OP if it helps I once found a purse lying on the side of the road. I picked it up looked inside for ID and got the persons address. I then went out of my way to go to her house and hand it back expecting at least a small thank you. What happened was she looked straight inside the zip portion (which I hadn't touched btw) and pronounced that there was money missing and asked me where it was!!?
I told her the person who originally found/stole it had obviously emptied it of any money and discarded it.
What I got for my troubles was a dirty look before she slammed the door in my face!

AbsolutelyPetrified · 07/06/2019 10:16

Did they actually take a statement from you OP? As in, did you sign the form they filled in after having read what the officer had written down?

They just had a notepad, she wrote something along the lines of 'found purse in X, gave to friend' and asked me to sign just underneath it.

I am aware looking back that I was stupid in a few parts of this. Mainly tbh the fact that I would be unlikely to even make it to the information desk and if I had tried harder, would have had to just give it in in a random shop on the way or something as I would be panicky about holding it too long incase owner was distraught looking around everywhere asking and basically, my 'dilly dallying' made her panick more or something.

As I said, I know in future to just ignore anything thats seemingly been left or discarded. Definitely learnt my lesson here.

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DreamlandVisit · 07/06/2019 10:16

Gosh what a minefield.

Have you spoken to the person who handed it in? She probably gave your name at the time and almost certainly would have given hers. That is how the police would have found her/you.

MadisonAvenue · 07/06/2019 10:17

Jaxhog I was thinking the same. Wasn't there was a post on here recently about the police turning up to speak to someone about damage to a car she’d been parked next to which she wasn’t aware that she’d damaged and I’m pretty sure that it was discovered that the owner of the car was somehow connected to the police.

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