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If you are pro choice...

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Doubledoubledenim · 30/05/2019 19:31

Name changed for this

I really want to ask some questions for anyone happy to answer about feelings on abortion. I don’t feel like its an approachable subject I can talk about IRL as everyone I know is venomously pro choice and if I start to put forward a view which isn’t the same as theirs they get really quite aggressive and defensive.

So, if you are pro choice does that include late term abortions or would you feel differently about one at 6 weeks to one at 24 weeks? Also a lot of people say it’s the woman’s body so her choice - would that reason still stand for later abortions or would you think it would need to be a serious medical reason for baby/mum to justify this? Or does pro choice mean pro choice for you meaning any reason and any time within the legal limit is ok.

I hope I’ve worded this in a completely inoffensive way as I really don’t want to upset anyone it might affect.

OP posts:
martinidry · 31/05/2019 08:58

Pro-choice is, for me, exactly what it says. It's not my right to dictate to other women.

ReganSomerset · 31/05/2019 08:59

I do think that if states such as Alabama put, as part of the anti-abortion bill, that men proven by DNA test to have fathered the child in question must provide as close as possible to half of the cost of raising said child (US average is currently over $230,000 over the course of childhood) or face a prison sentence, the Bill would not have gotten through.

PickleC · 31/05/2019 08:59

Outoutout Pinkyyy What if the unwanted pregnancy was in someone who was under 16? Are you saying in those cases abortion would be fine, given the very likely trauma and real physical risk involved in pregnancy and childbirth, or are you only really caring about children in the womb and once that child has been born they have to take their chances like full grown adults? Personally I can't think even stand to think of a child being forced to continue a pregnancy and yet it happens, we know it happens, in countries with restrictive abortion laws.

DameFanny · 31/05/2019 08:59

So would outoutout and pinkyy support legal measures to ensure that men having sex lead to experiencing some of the same financial outcomes? So from conception they had to pay child support? They were mandated to provide 50% of the childcare post birth? Take parental leave, fully equip a home for a child, take 50% of the emergency days off for when a child can't go to nursery etc?

Or is it just women that can't have sex?

Outoutout · 31/05/2019 09:02

Jacques

You prove my point perfectly. Thanks.

RedForShort · 31/05/2019 09:02

I'm sorry but what is the anecdote about the woman terminating because she doesn't want a 'baby belly' in photos supposed to prove?
My instinct would be is that it shows some posters will make up any story to prove why women are so silly they shouldnt be able to make choices about her body.

An anti-abortionist who works in an office where a women is making it widely known she's have an abortion to prevent a belly. Little bit to coincidental to be non-fiction for me.

BertrandRussell · 31/05/2019 09:03

I am pro choice. That does not mean I would have an abortion myself unless the baby had severe disabilities or it was to save my life, but I absolutely defend the right of other women to make different decisions. And I absolutely believe that the decision should be the women and hers alone.

Outoutout · 31/05/2019 09:03

Red.

The "story" about the woman going on holiday isn't made up. It's true. Depressingly true. That's the world we live in.

Outofinspiration · 31/05/2019 09:05

Yes I am suggesting that people shouldn't have sex.

That's nice dear...

Outofinspiration · 31/05/2019 09:06

The "story" about the woman going on holiday isn't made up. It's true. Depressingly true. That's the world we live in.

And you think that that woman would be a great mother if she was forced to go through with her pregnancy and birth do you?

WindowWeather · 31/05/2019 09:07

one at 6 weeks to one at 24 weeks?

Early as possible, late as necessary. I'd prefer not after 24 weeks unless for medical reasons (mothers or baby's).

Also a lot of people say it’s the woman’s body so her choice - would that reason still stand for later abortions or would you think it would need to be a serious medical reason for baby/mum to justify this?

No reason is necessary imo, I know people who felt they were too young or too old or too financially unstable who've had abortions all perfectly valid reason. However I do believe that later term (post 24 weeks) abortions should only be if medically necessary.

JacquesHammer · 31/05/2019 09:10

You prove my point perfectly. Thanks

That it’s misogynistic tosh? Yes I though so.

Outoutout · 31/05/2019 09:10

Deathgrip

You keep debating in circles. The abstinence movement fails because women don't take responsability. If you don't have sex, you cannot get pregnant. Stop pretending that responsability is some mythical state of being which is unattainable. It isn't. It literally requires a woman to do nothing. As NOT have sex. It requires zero effort.

BertrandRussell · 31/05/2019 09:10

And “pro life” people lie, lie and lie again. They also tell half truths, and report as fact, as something that happened to someone they know, propaganda that has been around since I was a young woman. I haven’t read the thread, but I would put money on the woman who had an abortion because she didn’t want to cancel her holiday, the 21 week baby who HCPs refused to treat but who grew up healthy, the women in adjacent rooms, one having an abortion and the other struggling to keep a pregnancy of the same gestation and the late term abortion for a cleft palate all featuring.....

Not to mention the importance of “counselling” designed to delay the procedure as long as possible, and the availability of “support” for women who choose to keep their babies.

Passthecherrycoke · 31/05/2019 09:11

I suspect the Jamaica abortion story is made up, possibly by the woman who didn’t want to tell all and sundry the real reason for her termination, or maybe is in denial of it herself. How far along was she?

JacquesHammer · 31/05/2019 09:11

The abstinence movement fails because women don't take responsability

Why are women the only ones who need to take “responsability” (sic)?

Bluestitch · 31/05/2019 09:12

Outoutout can you answer my post about women who are in coercive relationships, or have addictions, LDs, MH issues, chaotic lifestyles etc and may not always be able to make the best choices. Should they also be punished for having sex?

RedForShort · 31/05/2019 09:12

Outoutout, the story is total fantasy. People make things up, sadly that's the world we live in.

Outoutout · 31/05/2019 09:13

Dame

Absolutely. Fathers should be forced by legislation to pay. Absolutely. Why you think it should be any other way?

Outofinspiration · 31/05/2019 09:13

You keep debating in circles. The abstinence movement fails because women don't take responsability. If you don't have sex, you cannot get pregnant. Stop pretending that responsability is some mythical state of being which is unattainable. It isn't. It literally requires a woman to do nothing. As NOT have sex. It requires zero effort.

Um... You do realise that it also takes the man not to have sex as well?

You are coming across as incredibly misogynistic.

morallybankruptme · 31/05/2019 09:14

It wouldn't be an option for me but I won't judge anybody or give them and earful if that's what they choose to do because it's none of my damn business!

SoyDora · 31/05/2019 09:14

Outoutout again, what about those people who have had sex, and who are pregnant with an unwanted baby, do you think forcing that woman to give birth to and raise that child will lead to a positive life for that child?

Loopytiles · 31/05/2019 09:15

And a bad speller.

InsertFunnyUsername · 31/05/2019 09:20

Its funny that as pro choice, i can't remember a time where an acquaintance has openly said they are having an abortion because they have a holiday/event booked.

But Pro lifers seem to be surrounded by these feckless women eh.

bingoitsadingo · 31/05/2019 09:21

I am pro choice.
I don't think women have late term abortions for fun, because they're lazy, or for stupid reasons.
So I support the right to abortions as late as the mother wants or needs.

That is not to say I like it, or I would have one.