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Original poster

Looking highly unlikely there will be a third vote on the WA now.

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StealthPolarBear · 18/03/2019 16:31

So it's long extension (which EU not happy about and unlikely to grant) or crash out, right?

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KennDodd · 18/03/2019 20:12

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EnlightenmentwasaPassingPhase · 18/03/2019 20:15

Awww Nigel's little face Grin

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Bluntness100 · 18/03/2019 21:22

Her government was found in contempt of parliament not so long ago. Didn't seem to bother them too much

That's not correct, are you thinking of the situation where cox didn't publish his full advice and faced sanctions?

If thr governemt is in contempt of parliament, then parliament takes control, and can exert its will. To be in contempt of parliament means if she doesn't respect the no deal vote (which she has committed to do) then parliament gets the authority to do it for her, that's what it means.

However she stated she would respect it, and she also doesn't wish a no deal.

She didn't have enough votes to get it through anyway. Bercow s rather shocking announcement simply means we are now almost certain to get s lengthy delay to brexit.

Bluntness100 · 18/03/2019 21:25

To clarify, it was the governments own proposal last week that if she did. It have her deal approved by wed she would seek a lengthy extension. This is what was agreed,

Tusk has already said he would urge all twenty seven to permit it, and quite frankly it's in the eus best interests to allow it, they wish us to stay in. This is all good for them,

Forget the noise, we will be granted a lengthy extension, then as per thr governments plans it will be passed into legislation on the 25 March,

JuneFromBethesda · 18/03/2019 22:02

... and then MEP elections in May? That will be fascinating ...

longwayoff · 18/03/2019 22:11

Leadsome looked terribly, terribly cross. Dear me. Thanks pickachew and others, will follow donkeys.

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StealthPolarBear · 19/03/2019 05:58

"one of the options was for MPs to vote on whether to ignore the 400-year-old convention that Mr Bercow had cited in making his ruling."
FFS.

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BloggersNet · 19/03/2019 06:21

I really thought TM's WA would go through at the last minute, I really did. It wasn't a great deal but I don't see what good this uncertainty does either.

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StealthPolarBear · 19/03/2019 06:36

Yes so did I. I woukd have put money on it. That said, it still might as seems they can choose to ignore bercow! And I'm hopeful the uncertainty is getting us closer to revoke but am scared that in reality it's getting us closer to no deal, either now or after this sodding short extension they seem to think is the answer to all our prayers

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Bluntness100 · 19/03/2019 07:18

The thing is, amidst all the hysteria about Bercow s actions, there was still no majority for her deal, the dup has said they were not ready to support. So it was not going to pass if she had brought it back. And as such nothing has changed, even if she had brought it back, which they had not confirmed or even requested, it would not have passed. There is no way round it.

Really he is just being made a scapegoat.

She has to ask for an extension on Thursday and the Eu needs to rule on that, it is highly likely they will grant it.

Because we need to remember they do not wish us to leave. They wish us to stay. And we also have to remember Teresa May herself does not wish to leave with no deal either. And has committed to respect the vote of last week, the governments own proposal, which was if she doesn't have a deal agreed, she will ask for a long extension.

mummmy2017 · 19/03/2019 07:36

So only if the EU27 agree do we get a delay.
I really do think they are so feed up of all of this that they could find getting that agreement impossible.
Revoke, yeah right let's ignore everything, and accept that the country as a whole no longer matters, and MPs matter more than the people who voted them in, your really giving the govenment a blank cheque to never ever respect anything again, and when it is something you believe in and they do this to you, in the belief they know better , how are you going to feel.

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StealthPolarBear · 19/03/2019 08:23

Bluntness but am I being hopelessly naive to hope that if they refuse someone in charge will choose revoke over no deal?

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StealthPolarBear · 19/03/2019 08:24

Mummmmy, we've tried. Over and over again. We're making a judgement call over what is known now, not three years ago. And now we know this is a shambles and the best we can hope for with an EU exit is no one will die as a result. Not a positive step I don't think. Let's be grown ups about this and say we tried our hardest but now we need to give it up as a bad idea.

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Thymeout · 19/03/2019 09:45

Bluntness - I agree with most of what you've said but I think you're wrong about revoking Article 50. Don't know the small print, but it was categorically not designed to let countries opt back in and then out again just to get round the need for the consent of all 27 countries for a temporary extension. If we revoke A50, that's it. I don't know how they'd stop us trying to leave again, but I'm sure it would involve massive amounts of money and the UK being in breach of international treaties.

I watched the session yesterday. Bercow was magnificent. Leadsom was late and then got told off for 'playing with her electronic device', like a naughty schoolgirl, candy crushing during Maths.

safariboot · 19/03/2019 09:55

Theresa May and her government have had over two years to plan and do Brexit. She has failed.

Extension, resign, GE. New Prime Minister. Only way forward.

Thymeout · 19/03/2019 10:02

Bercow was standing up for the rights of Parliament over the Executive, i.e. May as the Queen's proxy. She's been behaving like a President not a P.M., trying to cut Parliament out of the loop. It's only because Gina Miller took it to court that MPs are having meaningful votes at all. And she's been ignoring them.

All that at the beginning about not giving a running commentary and keeping her cards close to her chest was to keep Parliament in the dark and shut them out of any decision making. When asked what sort of Brexit she was aiming for, we had all that guff about Brexit means Brexit and a red, white and blue Brexit. Clear as mud. Now she's getting her come-uppance.

Parliament means Us, the People.The MPs are our representatives. May has only been elected by the Tory Party - and the voters of Maidenhead. We don't have a presidential system, but May has been trying to behave like Trump.

GoFiguire · 19/03/2019 10:07

President Chump, you mean 🤦‍♀️

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StealthPolarBear · 19/03/2019 15:44

And they plan to have a vote anyway, as long as they think they'll win. This is madness. What is going on?!

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StealthPolarBear · 20/03/2019 06:02

She's writing to the EU to ask for an extension. We've only got nine days left, she'd better get it in the post today, first class!

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Bluntness100 · 20/03/2019 06:28

I agree it's madness, the issue I think is all the media speculation and everyone and their dog giving their view on what should happen and what they think is happening. Total confusion is reigning right now. We know it's an extension but that's all we know.

As much as I've admired Teresa mays perseverance in the past, and her ability to keep going, right now I think she is making some terrible mistakes and handling the situation badly and she does likely need to go.

She should have taken control of this situation and made a statement of what she intends to do, and sought by in from parliament on it. She has already committed to a short extension if her deal gets through, a long one if it doesn't, it was her own motion and was approved by Parliament, but her silence means everyone is speculating wildly about what she will do.

And that's very far from ok. She's totally went to ground and it seems intending on writing to Donald tusk and not letting anyone outside cabinet, not even her own party, know what she is asking for.

That's a terrible way for a leader to behave, and the only thing I can think the reason she's doing it, is because she knows parliament won't like what she is doing.

Sadly. As I think she has tried her best for the british people and to respect the referendum, I think she needs to leave, because hiding your actions from parliament and the british public until you've done it, is totally unacceptable behaviour.

Rhubarbisevil · 20/03/2019 06:29

But the EU won’t discuss any extension until 28 March. Not being funny, but top up the petrol in your cars and start freezing the milk Confused

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StealthPolarBear · 20/03/2019 06:29

Yes I agree. This was a poisoned chalice and I have admired her in the past. But she's made some decisions that cant be seen any way other than corrupt imo.

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Rhubarbisevil · 20/03/2019 06:33

hiding your actions from parliament and the british public until you've done it, is totally unacceptable behaviour.

But she did this for 2 years when she worked in the WA by herself, it is seems - and agreed it with the EU before her cabinet. Now we know why David Davies et al left the negotiation process.

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StealthPolarBear · 20/03/2019 06:36

Is that right rhubarb

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Buddywoo · 20/03/2019 06:40

I think she will ask for a 3 month extension and with some sort of fudge bring back the withdrawal agreement, possibly next week, and it will pass.

I can't bear the thought of her gloating smile if that happens.