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Johnny Depp & Amber Heard

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LadyDeadpool · 14/03/2019 15:04

Johnny Depp lost his role in PoC and almost lost his role in Fantastic beasts because of the allegations against him but the latest news stories are showing that she was the abuser and there's a hell of a lot of proof of that. We say we believe you and I remember it being all over mumsnet at the time that he should not get any acting jobs in the wake of the allegations and I supported that and am now feeling awful that he was the victim in all of this.

What drives someone to do this? To make all these false allegations and ruin someone's life while systematically abusing them? Will she face the same consequences he did?

Just interested in others thoughts about this.

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HeritageCarrot · 14/03/2019 15:26

I don’t know what to make of it. She says she was abused and he said no she wasn’t and that he was abused 🤷🏽‍♀️. I’ve read JDs defamation document but still wouldn’t be able to come to a conclusion as a lay person who hasn’t seen the evidence. Either one of them or both of them are lying or both of them are abusive. JD has a reputation in the industry as being off his head on drugs and/or alcohol and being very hard to work with as a result. Again I don’t know if this is justifiable or not.

JellycatElfie · 14/03/2019 15:29

I believe Vanessa Paradis and his children. I never thought he’d done it and thought the thread on here was a bit nasty at times. Just because a woman says she was abused doesn’t mean she was - and same goes for a man! I condemn any form of domestic violence - but my gut says he didn’t do it.

IWannaSeeHowItEnds · 14/03/2019 15:32

This sort of thing is why I don't think we should automatically believe anyone who makes an allegation. It might be rare, but some people do lie. I don't know what to make of the JD and AH thing - sounds like a shit show all round. But iirc, at the time an ex of hers claimed she had a history of being the aggressor And Vanessa Paradise, who has no reason to go out of her way to defend JD (seeing as he left her for AH) said these allegations bore no resemblance to the man she knew.
I think there is more to this.

ineedaknittedhat · 14/03/2019 15:49

I thought there was a video of him going off on her and throwing things etc. He seemed to be well drunk.

Perhaps it's six of one and a half dozen of the other. I think Vanessa Paradis was able to handle him, but Heard wasn't as she's too young and inexperienced.

The two of them come across like adolescent prats in the dog apology video.

ineedaknittedhat · 14/03/2019 15:53

This is the video.

SoupDragon · 14/03/2019 15:53

This sort of thing is why I don't think we should automatically believe anyone who makes an allegation.

I agree, although I think they should always be supported.

In this case, the vitriol and hate towards JD on MN was appalling given there was no hard evidence either way. I've not heard the latest news stories.

LunaLunitaLunera · 14/03/2019 16:18

I was a nanny for a family in Surrey for about two years. The father worked in the buisness on many big films. He mostly worked on Pirates of The Caribbean. They even had JD stay with them for a few days until they sorted out a place for him. (Biggest shock of my life when he walked into the kitchen)

He really is the most kindest softie you could meet. He has a great reputation on set, mucks in, helps out, treats everyone the same. Works a lot behind the scenes for charities and will ask them to not broadcast his generosity.

He may have done it, nobody could ever really know. But I would be shocked if he did.

Palominoo · 14/03/2019 17:02

Sounds to me that they both brought out the worst in each other and whilst both may have been angels in previous relationships when the two of them got together there was an almighty clash.

I have one ex that was vile to me but is wonderful to his current partner. I also have an ex that was wo derful to me but treated the one before and the one after me like absolute shit!

Both of them should shut up and be thankful they've moved on but sadly both of their bitterness means they want to continue to bring the other one down and the only winners will be the lawyers.

mydogisthebest · 14/03/2019 17:16

I always found it hard to believe that JD had done the things he was accused of but as I had no way of knowing the truth I kept an open mind.

I can never understand threads where posters are adamant that they believe someone with no real proof whatsoever.

A family member knows someone who worked as a bodyguard for JD for years (may still for all I know) and he said what a lovely genuine and very generous man he is.

I know he does a lot for charity and quite often visits hospitals etc unannounced

RuggyPeg · 14/03/2019 17:16

Luna - so you don't think that a man can be charmed personified to the outside world and an abusive arsehole behind his own front door?

DoneLikeAKipper · 14/03/2019 17:24

JD definitely has problems, however I did have difficulty believing he was a violent monster. Usually when ‘things come out’ about selebs, it alllll comes out - years of ‘yes they were an arse on x,y,z occasion to a,b and c - the whole industry knows dontchaknow’. There was none of that with Depp, hasn’t been since. That’s not to say nothing happened, of course. My arse is so on the fence I’m getting splinters.

LunaLunitaLunera · 14/03/2019 17:26

Ruggy yes, that's why I added that we can never really know.

HeritageCarrot · 14/03/2019 17:28

Ruggypeg that’s exactly the thing. A narcissist can be utterly charming and charismatic AND an utterly abusive, manipulative, lying and gaslighting bastard. I was married to such a man and many people still believe he is a caring, wonderful person.

bibbitybobbityyhat · 14/03/2019 17:30

I think we have absolutely no way of knowing what went on in that relationship other than it was a really unhappy one.

BloggersNet · 14/03/2019 17:30

I don't know, I believe that he has a problem with anger and lashing out. It's well documented. It wouldn't be unreasonable to believe that a spouse may have witnessed it or even been at the receiving end.

SparkiePolastri · 14/03/2019 17:35

Luna - so you don't think that a man can be charmed personified to the outside world and an abusive arsehole behind his own front door?

Exactly what I was thinking. Michael Jackson was a gentle softie to the outside world.

I have no idea if JD is guilty of what he's accused - absolutely no idea at all.

But this pervasive idea that because someone seems nice (based on nothing more than being in their presence for a few mins, no less) is how so many people get away with being awful to the people who really know them behind closed doors.

SoupDragon · 14/03/2019 17:50

The arguments apply equally to both sides though.

Boulezvous · 14/03/2019 17:55

It was probably a toxic relationship and both weren't great. But I saw the video and have heard the stories of drink and drugs. I'd not believe his PR machine any more that MJs and we can never know what goes on behind closed doors. I'd be hesitant of letting him totally off the hook looking at their power dynamic. Who has he power in that relationship? I tend to believe that's the tramline for abuse.

flumpybear · 14/03/2019 18:01

Nobody knows but that video above is not proof of anything - looks like she recorded it and circulated it, so cherry picking and he got cross with being recorded - yep wouldn't we all! It wasn't exactly him kicking the shit out of her
She probably pushed his buttons beforehand as there was clearly something g kicking off - then pressed record - pathetic and if that's the worst of it it's not exactly proof of terrible things he was accused of

Ribbonsonabox · 14/03/2019 18:02

This is one I have no idea about... what's clear is that it was a very toxic situation.. I'm not sure if you can pin the blame entirely on either one of them for it...
I think he probably has a drinking problem doesn't he?
But she has previous form for being violent or aggressive in relationships.
I think they probably did get into physical fights. Just a terrible relationship. It does come across like she didnt give a shit about him and wanted money... but then again why should she give a shit about someone who was potentially violent to her?
The whole thing makes me very uncomfortable as it's very unclear what's actually gone on and if I'm honest my main feeling is about it, that its private stuff that has been grotesquely made a public performance of... leaving neither of them in a good light really.
I want very much to side with her actually but the way shes gone a bout things and the stuff that has come up about other things she has done have just left me cold and actually with a bit of sympathy for Johnny Depp.... which I'm uncomfortable about as I was in a physically violent relationship and it was downplayed by other people... I want to be able to support women who speak out about this but at the back of my mind something just nags at me about this one.... I cant think of her as 'the victim'in this situation to be honest... a lot of it rings up like she was exploiting him because she knew he was vulnerable due to an addiction....
I sort of hate myself for saying that....

SoupDragon · 14/03/2019 18:06

I don't think there's any doubt that he has a drink problem (going by that video) but she appeared to be prodding him hoping he'd react for the camera. He doesn't seem to be violent towards her, just smashing the phone (which is understandable I think).

Only two people know what happened in their relationship and I suspect neither of them are on MN. Anything else is just speculation.

KittyLane1 · 14/03/2019 18:11

I think if you really sit down and map his career, read interviews etc over the years, long years, and read what some of his friends and business associates have said about him, you will see he is a vile narcissistic shit who hides behind his good looks.

A nasty, nasty man.

( close friend, academy award winner, has said JD is an absolute arse of a man)

FrustratedTeddyLamp · 14/03/2019 18:13

Kinda interesting when it was JD accused he was absolutely destroyed on MN now its AH its " we can never really know"

Ribbonsonabox · 14/03/2019 18:18

Yeah I agree. That video actually made me question it more than if she had just said 'he was violent to me'... it was such an odd video... she did not sound genuine in it at all, sounded artificial and goady and he didnt look violent just a sad, drunk, mess.. I'm not sure what she was trying to achieve with it? And to make it public on social media and turn the whole thing into a giant circus?!

MyBestFriendIsAHamster · 14/03/2019 19:44

What drives someone to do this? To make all these false allegations and ruin someone's life while systematically abusing them? Will she face the same consequences he did?

We don't know yet if the allegations were false.

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