Johnny Depp & Amber Heard

[LadyDeadpool]

Johnny Depp lost his role in PoC and almost lost his role in Fantastic beasts because of the allegations against him but the latest news stories are showing that she was the abuser and there's a hell of a lot of proof of that. We say we believe you and I remember it being all over mumsnet at the time that he should not get any acting jobs in the wake of the allegations and I supported that and am now feeling awful that he was the victim in all of this.

What drives someone to do this? To make all these false allegations and ruin someone's life while systematically abusing them? Will she face the same consequences he did?

Just interested in others thoughts about this.

Even if Amber did previously hit her girlfriend, does that mean it's impossible for Johnny to have hit her ??

The two are not mutually exclusive.

Johnny has a violent past, and a nasty temper. Tim B said some interesting things about his relationship with Ryder vs. Moss.

Not sure how you came to that conclusion

Because the threads I read were full of victim blaming and people tying themselves in knots to find reasons that a man they fancied for years couldn't possibly be an abuser - despite that video, pictures of her with bruises, confirmation from his PA of abuse and his violent history...like with MJ looms they didn't want to believe.

A brief rundown for those asking about his violent history. One is less than a year ago!

I’m pretty sure that video was recorded the night he’d found out his mum had died, which could explain his bad mood

The night I found out my dad died suddenly I had been on a night out. I managed to not abuse my husband that day funnily enough.

Gunpowder I think i love you a little bit. Also FYI the video was recorded early morning, Amber clearly references "last night" in the video.

I love your posts here @GunpowderGelatine. They're brilliant!

Obviously Johnny being "wild" and uncontrollable is the fault of Winona for leaving him and Kate for not being enough for him.

How can anybody on here really know what their relationship was like? My friend’s sister’s cousin’s next door neighbour, etc. Knew him/her! It doesn’t mean a thing. Let’s just hope they are both now they are separated that they are in a better place emotionally and physically .

I was very interested to read through the proposed evidence in the documents. I had a prolific poster on this forum get me deleted on a previous thread when this all happened because I said I’d heard she was already seeing Elon Musk, which was a bit fishy. Poster said I was victim blaming. Looks like I may have been right though!

So it is ok to hit your wife if she cheats ?

Just read the law suit. Quite interesting actually, can believe it's true. Sounds like there's plenty photos and cctv and eyewitness accounts to back him up.

None of what has been said on here proves anything either way.

But what strikes me as odd is that so few people are willing to believe that they could well be as bad as each other.

KittyLane1

Pretty big leap/accusation there from what I wrote. If you must know, in the actual context of what was discussed in the previous thread, I was responding to someone who said Amber cannot be lying as she gave the £5million settlement to charity. I responded by saying I was sure I had read she was already seeing Elon Musk, a billionaire.

"You never know the buggers until they've got their feet under the table" as my mother used to say. It works both ways.

I think its clear over the years he is an angry drunk. Any of his past girlfriends who enabled this (km, ah) seem to have found out to their disadvantage he has an unpleasant side. I'm not saying ah isn't also an aggressive person, it seems like a pretty toxic relationship, but not his first toxic relationship. So that makes you think, he probably can be a total dick and being a rich Hollywood star doesn't help.

Tm Burton comes across badly in that piece, basically saying it is the responsibility of the women in Depp’s life to manage his behaviour.

God, people talk such crap about stuff like this. I think we should forget the armchair detective work and admit we simply don't know what happened or what either person is really like.

And it does show why 'I Believe You' is dangerously simplistic. We should treat everyone as worthy of belief unless and until some evidence shows them to be liars.

Apparently she has sworn under oath that she was violent towards Depp. I was pootling about on Twitter the other day and a very graphic image of a severed finger, alleged to be Depp's finger, injury alleged to have been caused by Heard.

I can believe they were both violent.

Link to the Depp's lawsuit

We should treat everyone as worthy of belief unless and until some evidence shows them to be liars.

That's exactly what "I Believe You" is about - it's not about automatically branding the accused as an abuser, but about listening to the (alleged, I guess) victim and lifting the barriers that research has shown stand in the way of victims coming forward - which is that they won't be believed. However "I believe you unless there's evidence later down the line which shows you're lying" isn't exactly a catchy slogan is it

I find it so confusing that there are people on here literally saying that he doesn’t seem the type. Based on nothing more than media and their own bias I suppose?

I used to work with someone who was jailed for grooming a 13 year old. He ‘didn’t seem the type’ either. But I’d at least met him.

I have no opinion on this btw as OP hasn’t posted a link and I don’t care enough to look one up.

I can believe that they were both violent. Not sure why people think this absolves depp of any responsibility though. But i guess that the MJ threads have shown us that some people will perform great feats of mental gymnastics to defend their favourite stars.

It’s the Roxanne Pallet thing isn’t it? If there was no video evidence I think most people would have believed her. She seemed genuine in her belief that he had hit her.

And I think she genuinely believed she had been abused as well.

I always thought the “we believe you” campaign was dangerous. I think accusers should be supported but not necessarily believed.

There are usually two sides to a story. Is it better to believe a woman than a man?

I suspect they were glad to get him off the Pirates of the Caribbean franchise. He was massively over-paid and apparently a major pain in the ass. Filming was often delayed by his behavior, costing them millions and he was dragging the franchise down.

They can reboot with someone younger, fresher, and more professional. Even if they don't make as much money as with Johnny, their profits will be up.

I have no idea what went on with Johnny and Amber. I do think he has a major drink and possibly drugs problem. I saw an interview with him recently and he could barely string three words together as he was so wasted.

blissx

I apologise for being sharp with you. Sorry. You bore the brunt of my frustrations.

I deal with abuse on a day to day basis and I am so fed up of the mental gymnastics some people will go to in order to explain why someone couldn't possibly abuse.

I think it is entirely possible that Johnny physically and emotionally abused Amber.

I think it is entirely possible that Amber physically and emotionally abused Johnny.

I think it is entirely possible that neither see themselves as an abuser.

I also find it interesting that when Amber got $7m settlement she was called a gold digging whore and now Johnny wants $50m there's not a peep.

I have been reading about this. In my opinion, it was a highly toxic, violent relationship on both sides. They are both known for drinking and taking drugs. I believe there was cheating on both sides. Ultimately, I think he probably did hit her and she him and neither one can claim 'victimhood' in the way that they have both now tried.