I feel upset, sick and cheated by Leaving Neverland

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I was one of those people who kept saying the men are out to make money. That there’s no evidence etc. But I finally watched the documentary yesterday and it’s hurt me a lot. I feel like I was lied to my whole life. I know it sounds so melodramatic and selfish but MJ was my idol growing up. I remember being 7 years old and dancing and singing his songs.

Now I feel sick to the core. If Wade Robson and James Safechuck are lying, then they’re incredibly good liars.

MJ was a paedophile.

I think 30 plus years ago, people were not aware of child abuse like they are now. It was hidden, and not made public, there wasen't a lot of awareness about it and so it probably did not come into the parent's minds that MJ could be an abuser, add to that, it is MJ, he probably was seen as being 'safe'. If this happened now, with the awareness of child abuse that we have, I very much doubt parents would leave their kids with him and would be questioning more.

Picking apart his behaviour, it does follow a distinct narrative of what typical abusers do. Infiltrating the family to get access to the kids, which is exactly what he did, and getting them away from their parent's alone. Some like Wade's parents gave more easily than others.

Yes the vast amount of indecent pictures of children, especially boys, that were found in his house, as well as the amount of pornographic adult images, and S/M gives us an insight into the type of person MJ really was, and what he was into.

The Police video I shared previously, in which he was asked whether he was a paedophile, was very telling. Gone is the innocent image, he looks creepy and shifty, and squirming as he is interviewed by the Police.

The Omar bhatti story on that blog link is the most extraordinary one of all.

He and Jackson like parents too the 3 kid's!! Again parents sold up in Norway... worked for Jacko... same stuff.

I'm so confused about all these time lines!! so so many boys!

Was it James Safechuck who was abused by MJ at 7, he was a little innocent boy, and he was asked to do some really horribal things to MJ and had to allow MJ to do those things to him, the first time they were abused by MJ, he took away their childhood, just like that.

So many about 7.

Omar said Micheal innocent and felt things were innocent and beautiful that other people wouldn't think were

I agree re Wade's mum - I don't want to blame either family as blame should lay squarely with MJ but I don't think even 30 years ago that leaving a seven year old with a stranger was okay.

Even if in theory the risk of sexual abuse was not on her radar. It was at best playing fast and loose with her child's safety for the possible rewards being in MJ's orbit would bring them all.

I've long believed MJ to be a paedophile, but have still been shocked and very moved by these documentaries. I believe every word they say, and quite frankly anyone who can watch this and not believe them has to be a bit thick, surely? And that's without all the other allegations and evidence against him.

I've also been shocked by how many seem to disbelieve them on social media etc, and not just the crazy MJ superfans either. How much evidence do they want? Why can't they see-through the smear campaign against these men for daring to speak out.

It was heart-breaking to see just how many lives were destroyed by this evil man. I just really hope that these two brave men realise that many of us DO believe them, and that they are both strong enough to get through the fallout. Safechuck in particular came across as a broken man, it has made me so angry both what happened to them, and the disgusting way they are being treated and called liars by many.

I'm glad MJ is dead and unable to hurt any more children. But I wish more people could see this is not the fault of the victims, and I include their parents in that, it is solely the fault of the perpetrator. Michael Jackson, I hope you are rotting in hell for what you did. Victim yourself or not, their is no excuse to destroy peoples lives in the way you did for your own sexual pleasure. Your legacy, your memory, your music and you disgust me.

No Areoflot, it was wade's family.
Wade actually won the dancing competition at aged 5. He was nearly 7 by the time it got to be arranged for him to visit MJ.

James was nearly 10 by the time he won the Pepsi commercial with MJ.

Oh God, the lyrics to Billie Jean are utterly heartbreaking and very disturbing now... they take on a whole different meaning:

‘Billie Jean is not my lover, She’s just a girl who says I am the one’ - so much of his lyrics must have hidden meanings, a bit like children’s nursery rhymes. If you changed the lyrics to ‘Billy Jean’ and make it about a boy, it becomes all the more poignant.

Sorry... none of that really made sense. I’m just getting angry and reading too much into the lyrics. As for the song ‘Smooth Criminal’...

Stupid wanky bastard. I can’t believe I ever thought he was good, 😱

Oh right Oblamov, I just saw footage of MJ with Maculay Culkin, he was about 5 when he stated spending time with MJ, before Home Alone. He did go off the rails, I wonder if MJ abused him and hes dissociated from it like the others.

I hadn’t watched it yet, but I’ve always maintained he was a weird guy and from the interviews and videos of him over the years he always struck me like he was a kid himself. The thing is he’s dead so no documentary now is gonna make a difference. It’s one of them things which is he said she said and The fact they had holes in thier stories the first time around doesn’t really help thier cause. It’s avery controversial matter which will never get resolved. I still like his music and that won’t change,

he always struck me like he was a kid himself

Except now it's easy to see that was a very cunning act designed to throw people off the scent. And it bloodywell worked too didn't it! It's STILL working.

I am sick to death of the 'din't have a childhood' explanation. Countless children now and in the past have no real childhood due to war, extreme poverty, abuse all sorts of reasons and most do not go on to sleep with children and act like it is the norm.

he’s dead so no documentary now is gonna make a difference

I disagree - it has already made a huge difference in terms of public perception and recognition of abuse and paedophilia. And who knows, perhaps it will bring some sort of closure (not the best word but can't think of another) to ALL his victims. This won't be the last to come out about him I don't think.

As for his music - I think a lot of it was vastly overrated really, his voice wasn't great, he was a much better dancer than he was singer. But I for one certainly won't want to listen to his creepy vocals in songs that it now appears have hideously sick hidden meanings. He disgusts me, as do his family and the ridiculous sporrans who still collude with him and his sick legacy.

*superfans not sporrans

People like macukly and Omar bhatti are still very close to Jackson's DC. And family.

Perhaps they're not willing to admit the abuse , don't want others too know... don't want to Hurt his children...

Yes I think this documentary is already making a massive difference. Coupled with Jimmy Saville and Me Too I think we're at a pivotal moment in society with regards to sexual abuse. Things that our generation accepted will not be accepted by the younger generations.

Yes, I've wondered that too Desperateforspring. Although I have also wondered whether they were too high profile for him to risk anything with.

That said, I read earlier about how a staff member claimed to have seen MJ touching MC intimately. So who knows. I know many child stars lead dysfunctional lives as adults, but didn't MC have a serious heroin addiction, as those two things frequently go hand in hand - heroin/ opiates can be good at numbing the pain when the denial doesn't quite cut it .

Tbh though, even without his admission, there are now at least 5 claims of abuse. You'd think that, not to mention all the other stuff would be enough wouldn't you?

To me it was as clear as day they were telling the truth. All the different emotions they displayed were absolutely classic of sexual and mental abuse victims - the denial, the confusion, cognitive dissonance, the depression as adults they described all point towards trauma/ PTSD. I hope they find their peace, I'm really worried for them - it must be so awful to risk so much by baring your should like that only to not be believed and your character/ motives assassinated like theirs have been.

*soul not should. Ffs.

I was a big fan but I 100% believe Wade and James. He was very very clever, I don't think people could imagine him being so cunning when he acted so childlike. I have a theory that he deliberately had lots of boys stay over who he didn't abuse and had no intention of doing so because then they would testify to that iyswim? If he had hundreds of boys sleeping in his bed over the years and only a few making allegations that creates doubt about why the others said nothing happened. Add to that the fact that some of the boys who are saying he didn't abuse them have gone on to make a lot of money and were already on their way there when he knew them and the ones accusing him are not so well off there is an easy way to discredit them by saying they were trying to get him to pay them off. I don't think there will be loads of victims coming out, his method appears to have been to have long "relationships" before moving on to a younger one and only abusing one boy at a time whereas with the likes of Saville it was much more opportunistic.

In the cold light of day, MJ behaviour was very typical of a child abuser, but because of who he was, people just did not want to see it.

I felt awful after watching the documentary. It all seems so obvious now, those poor boys paraded past the paparazzi like other stars with their revolving door of partners. I remember st the time of the trial he was turning up barely able to walk, or not turning up at all due to “ill health”, the moment he was found not guilty he was jumping on car roofs outside the courtroom to his adoring fans delight. Staff members must have suspected but acted in bad faith. I totally believe the families were groomed. Jordy Chandlers mum was quite resistant if you read the mjandtheboys page. MJ was a master manipulator to everyone. He played the lost childhood card and made others feel like they had dirty minds for questioning his true motives. The arrogance of that is astounding, and that his family are now acting with the same arrogance in threatening to sue HBO, at the same time saying the boys are now after money! The family don’t want to lose the Goose that lay the golden eggs. I feel sorry for his kids. I feel sorry for a lot of the super fans who have lost their hero. I suspect he abused most if not all the boys he kept over the years but some have chosen not to tell for various reasons, maybe some like Wade said, think they can still save him and his legacy if they keep quiet, because they believe they are still in love with him. The man gives me the shivers when I see pictures of him now, I can’t listen to his music anymore and I think eventually people will stop playing it, however that’s not enough. He should have gone to prison for what he did. I hope R Kelly will be imprisoned like those poor girls and women he abused.

Michael Jackson was a child abuser. No doubt in my mind.

The grooming of the families was so insidious. And some people saying 'how could they leave their child unaccompanied with a stranger?' I've been trying to understand how it can happen and I think probably more easily than we would like to admit. For example, you're at a royal garden party with your family because of good works for charity. One of the princes is there (sorry W & H just using you as an example), they offer to take your child to see the stables with them whilst you relax and have a glass of prosecco with other famous people. I would predict that you (I) would be flattered and honoured for your child, have no doubt for their safety and be excited about the whole thing. It wouldn't cross your mind they could be at risk because we 'know' the Royal Prince to be a good guy.
Fame, wealth, celebrity are insanely powerful things. I feel devastated for the mums in question, they feel their guilt strongly.

I hope no one is offended by the example I've given.

The thing is he’s dead so no documentary now is gonna make a difference.

Yes it will. This, and documentaries like Abdcuted in Plain Sight (as batshit as it was) lay out very clearly the tactics and behaviours that paedophiles use to carry out their abuse. There is a very recognisable pattern, they all do the same things. The more awareness of that that is raised, the better.

The problem is Rockyflintstone is that the documentary doesn’t prove anything. It is simply a convincing testimony from two people who have already convinced a Jury MJ was innocent. They are probably telling the truth this time however it is not enough evidence on its own.