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Has anyone been entitled to good tax credits then no UC?

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mayaknew · 01/03/2019 21:32

This has just happened to us. There goes being able to pay billsHmm

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FoofFighter · 02/03/2019 14:54

@HelenaDove I was an active frother too on here and fb and Twitter and everywhere really.

Nobody listened back then, nobody is listening now :(

ssd · 02/03/2019 16:23

People are only interested if it directly affects them unfortunately and most folks have an I'm alright Jack attitude these days
I don't know how anyone can vote tory knowing they shaft the poorest in society but in England they will always get in, there seems to be a majority doing ok who walk around with blinkers and ignore anything they find distasteful, Brexit was the ultimate expression of this

SinkGirl · 02/03/2019 16:35

What’s the reason that you got TC but not UC - self employment, something else?

I did the entitled to thing a few months ago and it said I’d get marginally more from Universal credits

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MyDcAreMarvel · 02/03/2019 16:35

@gluteustothemaximus no only changes that would have previously involved claiming a legacy benefit. So going from employed to unemployed but not the other way round if you already claim ctc.
Moving out of area and making a new housing cost claim. Partner leaving or joining household. Etc

ASurfeitOfDuncans · 02/03/2019 16:40

I agree, ssd.

Babyroobs · 02/03/2019 17:26

I guess the main group of people who will go from receiving tax credits to nothing will be those with savings or capital over 16k but I think those being migrated over will have transitional protection for 12 months.

Babyroobs · 02/03/2019 17:29

Some people will be better off on UC, some worse off but the online calculators are not always accurate and this is why people get frightened and worried. Yes students are worse off as student loans are counted as income but it seems odd to me that people got both without the student loans reducing tax credits at all if that was indeed the case?

BitchQueen90 · 02/03/2019 17:51

@Myusernameismud yes but youngmammy posted the amount she gets in UC and in her case personally it's a lot less than what she would have got in tax credits. Tax credits are all the same for single parents depending on earnings.

MyDcAreMarvel · 02/03/2019 17:52

Why would it be odd they are a loan not income.

youngmammy · 02/03/2019 18:12

@BitchQueen90 I only receive £425pm from uc and £500pm from working then £20pw child benefit i cannot claim housing costs because my granda bought a second home that i live him I pay him £50pw that he is saving up for me a deposit to eventually buy the house from him as we are related nothing will be paid from uc

gluteustothemaximus · 02/03/2019 18:37

I don't think it's so much people doing the calculators and getting scared, it's the fact UC will be less due to the taper rate being higher than TC's.

It's also the minimum 6 week wait, which will be sickeningly long (and feel longer).

It's the work coach/interview thing.

It's the sanction possibilities.

It's the fact you have to do a new claim each month, and that if you get paid twice in one month (because of the way the payment dates fall) then you have over earned, and get nothing. The following month you will earn nothing, and get nothing.

Self employed people like myself are massive losers, because it is done month by month and not on the yearly income. So seasonal type work will be affected for all.

There's more, but I don't think any of it is scaremongering. We are all genuinely scared.

When the bedroom tax came in, I was against it, even though it doesn't affect me. When they targeted disabled people, I was appalled. Sick, unemployed, and now working poor. I would never vote tory because of what they have done to people. Ordinary people. So many suicides. It's like a class cull Sad

Babyroobs · 02/03/2019 21:27

You can get an advance to help with the 5 week wait ( not six). from what I have seen they don't seem to encourage / push people to do more hours as long as they are meeting a ( very low) monthly earnings limit.
Being based on real time earnings rather than an annual wage is meant to mean less chance of huge over payments that happened on tax credits and causes people a lot of stress.
The work allowances ( the amount that a lot of people are able to earn before deductions for wages kick in) is rising even further in April.
A lot of people are better off on UC.
I agree they need to look at the rent issues and perhaps increase the housing benefit run on to a month.

gluteustothemaximus · 02/03/2019 22:13

Being based on real time earnings rather than an annual wage is meant to mean less chance of huge over payments that happened on tax credits and causes people a lot of stress.

There's still no need for the paid twice in one month scenario. Or the fact that self employed people are worse off.

A lot of people are better off on UC.

I can't see that this is true.

I agree they need to look at the rent issues

Yes they do, as well as making sure that the female (usually main carer) is paid, in cases of domestic violence/financial control. Amber Rubb has said she would look at this, but no date as yet on when this will happen.

In the case of the two child limit, they had to backtrack on that, as they tried to sneak that through. Not to be trusted in any way. I also don't trust anyone who says 'that won't trigger a UC claim' on the phone.

They could have got around all of the issues with TC's by working with what they had. They didn't need a complete overhaul or to spend millions on doing so. But they will see this through, because in their heads, this new system will 'incentivise' people more.

HelenaDove · 03/03/2019 00:07

Disabled people are having to choose between eating and paying for carers because of “catastrophic” social care charges, charities have warned.

The MS Society, Parkinson’s UK, Age UK and Mencap are urging the government to take action amid growing evidence that disabled and elderly people are rationing their social care because they cannot afford it, or taking the care and accruing thousands of pounds of debt.

Genevieve Edwards of the MS Society said: “We know care is becoming increasingly unaffordable for people with MS, potentially costing more than £110,000 in a lifetime. Faced with catastrophic care costs, some are forced to choose between care and other essentials, such as food and heating.”

Local authorities have always been legally entitled to charge for social care, but in the past many asked individuals for little or no contribution towards its provision. But under mounting financial pressures, a growing number of local authorities are adopting or raising social care charges. Two-thirds of local authorities in England have introduced or increased charges for care in the past three years, according to freedom of information requests by the MS Society.
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There are wide variations between councils in both the amount they charge for social care and who has to pay. Disabled people are already more likely to be living in poverty than those without a disability, and critics say social care charges amount to a tax on disability and old age.

Kari Gerstheimer of Mencap said some people with learning disabilities were being unlawfully charged for care because local authorities were failing to account for the extra costs that come with a person’s disability, or insisting that disability benefits intended to pay for other essentials go on care fees.

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Keith Bright, 58, who has MS, said he had had to make his team of carers redundant after the council increased the contributions he had to make for his social care from £125 a week to £179. Unable to afford that and keep up with mortgage payments on their bungalow, Bright and his wife, Glenys, had no choice but to let the carers go. Now 29 hours’ care a week has been replaced by one hour a day. “That’s not even enough to help me get showered,” he said. “But it’s all we can afford.”

On top of the new costs, the council reassessed Bright’s case in the light of a change in his disability benefit and backdated his contributions, requiring the couple to find another £2,000. They have already spent more than £28,000 in five years on social care and had to take out a loan.

Glenys Bright said they had been threatened with bailiffs for the debt. “We both feel we’ve been treated like criminals yet we haven’t committed a crime,” she added.

Analysis by the union GMB last year found that more than 160,000 people had become trapped in debt for social care, with more than 1,000 taken to court by their local authorities over the last two years over non-payment for their own care, or that of loved ones.

A Department of Health and Social Care spokesperson said: “We are committed to ensuring everyone has access to the care and support they need and have provided local authorities with access to up to £3.6bn more dedicated funding for adult social care this year and up to £3.9bn for next year.

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wafflyversatile · 03/03/2019 00:13

My friend was not able to get an advance. He was told he could only get one once his claim was approved ie a few days before the money was paid. It was about 9 weeks too. And they refused to pay a housing element because he was a lodger in the landlords home.

wafflyversatile · 03/03/2019 00:16

Also under both the old system and new the local hb limits are totally unrealistic.

Myusernameismud · 03/03/2019 07:29

Again, that's not our experience waffly. LHA is 412 where we are, but we still get our full rent of 673 paid in our claim.

vampirethriller · 03/03/2019 11:25

£59 a week on tax credits and £0 UC.

MyDcAreMarvel · 03/03/2019 11:32

That’s awful @vampirethriller over £3k a year is a massive amount to lose especially on a low income.

mayaknew · 03/03/2019 12:53

It's trapping people in poverty.

Dh and I were in shit minimum wage jobs. We decided we wanted to do something about it and study and get proper career jobs.

I went first and studied, TC topped up my student loan and I was able to finish my degree and now work full time. It's DHs turn and he's at college. UC not topping up his student loan though and we are going to struggle massively. If he has to work too many hours it's going to affect his studies. It's not fair.

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U2HasTheEdge · 03/03/2019 13:56

I really hope I don't get moved over to UC when I am still getting a student loan.

I am dreading going over.

HelenaDove · 03/03/2019 17:34

Has UC or JSA affected any volunteering anyone on here has done.

On the Skint Britain thread which has now finished we were having a disagreement about it and the usual suspects were saying that others were just making excuses not to do it.

But some of us can understand that people would not be willing to take the risk.

HelenaDove · 03/03/2019 18:00

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"Government will take £68.35 a week from up to 12,000 pensioners who have an adult dependant such as a spouse under 65. The Adult Dependency Increase is a non-means-tested addition to the old state pension and had to be claimed before 6 April 2010. It will stop from 6 April 2020"

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