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Is it only on mn that people are stockpiling?

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ScafellPoke · 20/02/2019 22:11

Seems to be a lot of pre brexit stockpiling going on here. But none in real life Confused

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bigKiteFlying · 21/02/2019 13:47

I ask myself why I'd want to presume Tesco et al have both sufficient stocks

We were in the Red Zone for snow last year Tesco was having supply issues a good week after everything was back to normal.

It was very bad timing for us having run things down and our huge food order getting canceled. We didn't starve - there was bread and milk in the shops, but shelves were empty or nearly empty – lot less choice.

That was a few days disruption, and no one panic buying – it was very eye opening.

Hopefully future purchasing does prove to be unnecessary – but just means we use it up and buy less next few months after the deadline.

MargoLovebutter · 21/02/2019 13:49

Chief Exec of Heathrow was on the TV this morning saying that they are stock piling certain supplies in the event of a no deal Brexit.

Honeyroar · 21/02/2019 13:57

I have two freezers full of food and full cupboards (that's how I live, I only shop once a month if I can help it, apart from milk and bread). I could survive a couple of months if I had to. So you could say I have a stockpile. But I'm at a loss as to how it's meant to help long term. Brexit and the issues that come with it aren't going to be fixed in two months. Any shortages are going to last longer than that.

And surely if we all start buying extra of things that we think will be in short supply they're going to run out faster??

Clavinova · 21/02/2019 13:58

The supermarkets have said they can store an extra few days of food maximum

Although Ireland's largest exporter of dairy products has managed to stockpile over six months supply (40,000-50,000 tonnes) of cheddar cheese in cold storage in the UK;

www.independent.ie/business/farming/dairy/countrys-largest-exporter-of-dairy-stockpiles-cheddar-mountain-as-a-brexit-buffer-37781921.html

DrWhy · 21/02/2019 14:01

I’m not exactly stockpiling but I have a Brexit box of long lasting food we regularly eat, pasta, rice, lentils, tins of tomatoes and beans etc. I have spent this morning working through the garage freezer clearing out unidentifiable or unwanted ancient stuff, doing a stocktake and making some space. Planning to fill that with frozen veg, fruit, fish, cheese and things we eat regularly too. In another week or two I’ll start with things like cheese, butter and eggs when their dates start to get into April and May. Last things will be fairly stable fruit and veg like potatoes, carrots, squash, apples etc. My big sticking point is milk. Long life is not great and powered even worse but we put it in tea and have a 2 year old who still drinks probably a pint daily. In a pinch he’d probably drink UHT but I’m reluctant to have 15 pints of the stuff (to last us 2 weeks) as it really wouldn’t get used in ordinary life. I guess I might buy it and if we don’t need it I’ll drip feed it into a local food bank afterwards.
If I don’t need it I’ll just go ‘shopping’ in the box for a while. If I do then we have it. I’ve only told my mum about it who thinks I’m a bit hysterical and my DH who thinks it’s unnecessary but is happy that it’s helping keep me calm. My cleaner must have noticed the box but hasn’t commented, I’m going to ask DH to shift it into the garage where it’s out of sight. I’m stressing a bit that i mentioned in general conversation to an elderly neighbour that I was worried and going to try to get a few extra bits in, honestly I’d happily add her to the people I’m feeding but she’s a massive gossip so hoping she hasn’t told the whole street. I haven’t told any friends or colleagues.

WilkoBrandCleaner · 21/02/2019 14:03

oooo the bingo is starting!

redhat you gave me a giggle there Smile

DrWhy · 21/02/2019 14:04

Oh and for people saying they will be fine for things because they have a local farm shop/dairy, if there is a shortage, bare in mind that there will be a lot of people who don’t usually buy their products who suddenly want too.

WilkoBrandCleaner · 21/02/2019 14:05

drwhy if anyone comes over saying they're out of milk and heard you had some extra you can just say "Oh, I was planning to but I never got around to it, you know how it goes."

I don't mean that you would let people starve around you (which won't happen anyway, obviously), just that a few days with no bread or milk or whatever isn't going to kill anyone.

bellinisurge · 21/02/2019 14:13

@WilkoBrandCleaner it won't kill anyone to be without milk for a few days . Unless it gets violent. And unprepared people in stressed out home life situations because there isn't normal food supply start kicking off. Why not avoid being part of that? Is it so unpatriotic?

WilkoBrandCleaner · 21/02/2019 14:19

No bellini I think you've either misunderstood me or I wasn't clear.

I was meaning more along the lines of that you shouldn't feel guilty about lying to your neighbours that you don't have any milk for them (despite what they might have heard). Anyone who hasn't been bothered to get some extra in will just have to cope for a bit, was what I meant, the neighbours won't starve.

Personally I agree with you completely and I think your posts on the three-day supply have been really helpful to people who don't know where to begin, so thanks for that Smile

bellinisurge · 21/02/2019 14:20

I see @WilkoBrandCleaner . My apologies.

Uptheapplesandpears · 21/02/2019 14:22

Honey roar no, they won't run out faster as long as you do it now. Our flexible just in time supply chain will allow more to be brought in, while we remain in the EU. After we leave, if we leave with no deal then yes, people buying more of things they think will run out is going to contribute to shortages.

It isnt going to help long term except for those who have huge amounts, but if it gets to that stage it'll take more than a stockpile to help us anyway. I would expect disruption to be fairly short term then followed by increased prices and decreased quality.

FermatsTheorem · 21/02/2019 14:37

We were in the Red Zone for snow last year Tesco was having supply issues a good week after everything was back to normal

Ditto here - it was an eye-opener. Not just how quickly the shops emptied, but how long it took them to restock. I think a lot of people don't realise what "just in time" supply chains really mean.

I think (Brexit aside) it's only common sense to have enough cans to see you through 4 or 5 days, in case of extreme weather events or the power grid failing or computer failure of critical infrastructure or similar.

Uptheapplesandpears · 21/02/2019 14:53

We actually suffered less during the night freeze than most, no real supply problems. But I read enough about it to be bemused that anyone would think we can safely assume the supermarkets will stockpile and evenly distribute enough unless they're told otherwise. I mean, do people think there'll be an official announcement from Asda about the point when they expect to lose control?

Graphista · 21/02/2019 16:31

There's a lot on Twitter about it but largely anonymised accounts.

People are (sensibly I think) not telling others in real life to protect themselves.

I have my suspicions about certain families that dd is friends with their kids who are quite outdoorsy & practical types anyway. They've been going on more foraging trips than usual, buying a bit extra at shops, growing veggies, herbs etc and freezing them...

On bbcqt it came up as a topic, very few people in the audience admitted they were but then neither would I on national bloody telly!! Where who knows what ne'er do well neighbours of yours are watching!

I get my shopping delivered online and a couple of the drivers have admitted they are, and that they've noticed certain customers getting more than usual delivered and long shelf life products.

I've friends work in retail who've noticed regular customers doing the same and they've noticed certain shelves/aisles selling faster than usual.

I've not told anyone local in real life but I've discussed with a few close friends who are hundreds of miles away and they're doing same.

"none of the the major supermarkets have ever suggested that have they?"

Erm...

www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-47028748

And

www.theguardian.com/business/2019/feb/21/uk-and-ireland-retailers-warn-of-40-tariffs-on-food-in-no-deal-brexit

"DH and I are old enough to remember rationing, and although there weren't the choices, we always ate." See point 6 on my list

"I really can't see countries who normally sell to us wanting their perishables to go unsold." They won't though, they'll find other customers easily enough there's a whole world full for them to sell to inc the eu countries

"Lidl and Aldi aren't UK based, they just have branches here. Much of their produce comes from mainland Europe - does anyone really think they'll just stop selling it?" Exactly how do you think it gets here?

"Bearing in mind the whole millennium bug scaremongering fiasco, I'm a bit meh about all this tbh." See point 4

"oooo the bingo is starting!" Yep! I'm on it! 😂

"Bingo?" The same arguments coming up on brexit threads repeatedly trying to make out those of us concerned, stockpiling (and pissed off its come to this) are "overreacting" "paranoid" etc

"What I don’t understand is where - anywhere at all - there has been any warning of shortages of food to put in people’s mouths." Its only all over the news, msm and SM.

Bigkiteflying - we're in rural west Scotland. No deliveries to supermarkets for about 10 days last year due to the weather, took several weeks for the shelves to get back to normal and that was just "a few days of bad weather"

Graphista · 21/02/2019 16:32

Betzonmark3 and people thinking similarly:

(I've added to this since last posting).

BREXIT FAQ

1 why do you think it necessary? The U.K. Govt won't allow it all to go to hell in a handcart?

We are not as a country self sufficient. The govt has failed to organised increased production either by farmers or manufacturers and haven't even helped supermarkets arrange extra warehousing. At this point they are however starting to stockpile themselves and are refreshing training for police and armed forces in case of unrest.

2 But surely it won't affect uk products

many if not most uk products require ingredients/raw materials from outside the uk. Also, again as we're not self sufficient that means many more people using U.K. Products (including using farm shops, butchers etc where previously they didn't) who previously would have bought non uk alternatives. This means less uk produced food to go around and probably higher prices.

3 stockpiling means you'll be responsible for empty shelves

no you'd be confusing stockpiling with panic buying. People buying and storing a little extra than they'd normally buy now means this frees up warehouse space for supermarkets and allows them to adjust their buying rates appropriately. It spreads the stores around basically.

4 there was all this over the Millenium bug too and it was all hype

No - IT and telecoms people worked for YEARS in advance to prevent that issue from happening. But even so there were no guarantees as everyone was relying on everyone else having done this job & done it properly too so there was still the possibility of one persons/organisations cock up causing a domino effect. I worked for an organisation involved in this and even though they were doing the work to prevent - they were also organising at home supplies of bottled water, wind up torches etc just in case.

5 we managed before we were in the eu the population was much smaller, our productivity was higher per capita, and we still traded with Europe under established terms of the time.

6 we managed during WWII, people just pulled together

No there was at least a years planning by the government including rationing, plus crime rates soared and people did die from hunger/malnutrition related illness.

7 but if it proves unnecessary or govt finally pull their finger out won't you have wasted your money?

No. It will mean a reduced grocery bill for a while as I won't need to buy those long life products. Some better off mners have said they'll happily donate to food banks anything they're unlikely to use. Also if the "only" thing that happens is slight price rises perhaps due to £ falling initially then those of us on tight budgets won't be immediately in the shit!

8 well we all need to lose weight anyway we'll just diet

You still need nutrition for basic bodily functions & health. Obesity is more complex than simply "eat less", also children, the elderly and sick need calories and nutrition to grow and to stay healthy. And not everyone's fat! My dd is over 6' and barely more than a size 8 due to her disability she has a high metabolism. She needs the calories AND she needs to consume a certain amount of fat to protect her joints. Diabetics need a stable diet to manage their condition as do people with a variety of other conditions, some people need to take medication with certain types of foods, there's those with allergies to consider etc

Also hungry, frightened people get pissed off! Before they get to a point where they're too weak to fight they'll get angry! That's what will likely lead to the civil unrest. That and people fearful for loved ones who are diabetics etc.

9 grow stuff in the garden, we can grow stuff in this country too

March/April is a low harvest time. Google the "hungry gap" even if you were to plant stuff now it won't be ready for ages and even that only works

if you know what you're doing
can invest in the raw materials necessary
HAVE a garden or somewhere to grow stuff
The weather does what it's supposed to - no unusually warm or cold spells, or too much/too little rain!
And then you'd better hope nobody who hasn't prepped doesn't Nick it either - a problem for farmers during WWII

But interestingly your comment has made me realise I'm missing one so

10 "we can trade from outside the eu though can't we?"

As pp pointed out we currently trade with non eu countries AS an eu country. The govt have been very lax in sorting new trade deals with non eu countries but also non eu countries are understandably reluctant to negotiate while they don't know wtf we're doing! (Because WE don't know wtf we're doing!)

In addition getting goods from non eu countries is more difficult and more expensive - basic common sense and geography!

They're further away from us so there's additional transport costs, they don't necessarily make/grow the same products depending on climate, fresh products will have shorter shelf lives, and they'll take longer to get here and our govt hasn't put plans in place to cover the stopgap.

Also many products we already get from non eu countries currently come to to us VIA eu countries eg most new world wines are flown into mainland Europe in vats then bottled in Europe and distributed to other eu countries inc uk I believe many products from africa come to us via land transport into southern med and are then distributed to us.

So no it's not as simple as "just trade with someone else"

bellinisurge · 21/02/2019 16:34

Thank you @Graphista

Graphista · 21/02/2019 16:40

I've not posted on brexit for a while as I find it stressful reading and some relatives not well so already got that stress but I've cleared out my cupboards etc recently of out of date stuff (needed doing as I moved in here almost 2 years ago and some of it came from the old place ShockGrin) and it's freed up some space. I've also sorted my spices now too

Dd has also got on board now and is putting stuff that only she uses on top of my high cupboards (her stuff as I can't reach even with a ladder!)

I cooked up last weeks grocery shop though as I got distracted (phone call Re ill relative) so playing catch up this week.

Graphista · 21/02/2019 16:41

Cooked up? My autocorrect hates swearing cocked up that should say if of course

Icecreamcarton · 21/02/2019 16:47

Also hungry, frightened people get pissed off! Before they get to a point where they're too weak to fight they'll get angry! That's what will likely lead to the civil unrest

I’m as anti Brexit as the next (sane) person but I’m not sure this type of rhetoric is helping anyone. It seems a little unhinged!

mydogisthebest · 21/02/2019 16:49

I have just worked out that I have over 30 meals that I have made and frozen plus enough chickpeas, lentils, beans, nuts etc to make probably about 2 months worth of meals.

I also have quite a lot of bread, cheese and veg in the freezer.

That is just the way we live though. I am always surprised by people that don't have a store of food (maybe not as much as we do!). Anything could prevent you being able to get to the shops - snow, floods, illness etc. I like to know we will be fine if we can't get out.

A few of my neighbours seem to always be running out of food. Two of them said they only buy enough for a couple of days and then go shopping again. Personally I hate food shopping so no way would I go that often.

I have already got wise to neighbours asking to borrow an egg or an onion or a couple of teabags and usually say I haven't got whatever it is they want. I don't mind helping them but I never seem to get anything back

bellinisurge · 21/02/2019 16:50

Sadly @Icecreamcarton , it's not especially unhinged if you have seen how people reacted not long ago to KFC running out. Or people at Black Friday sales.

TimeIhadaNameChange · 21/02/2019 17:03

The only thing I've deliberately bought extra of is food for the animals. If prices of normal food go up massively they'll be on rations like the rest of us, so at least they can fill up on nuggets and hay. They won't be happy, but nor will they be actually starving, whatever they say.

As to the rest, we'll survive. We do have quite a lot of pasta and rice in anyway, and we get eggs from the hens. It may not be the most exciting diet but it will be enough to live on.

bellinisurge · 21/02/2019 17:04

@TimeIhadaNameChange you do realise that not everyone keeps hens, don't you.
PS - I have hen envy Grin

bellinisurge · 21/02/2019 17:05

Or is that "Henvy"

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