Shamima Begum has her citizenship revoked

[KenAdams]

How can this happen? I thought they aren't allowed to leave a person stateless? Not that I'm disagreeing, I'm just wondering how they managed it.

Genevieva That is likely true. We'll all have to see.

There's a link of an interview with Anthony Lloyd in GQ where he pretty much makes similar points: www.gq-magazine.co.uk/article/shamima-begum-isis-bride

I think he's now trying to ameliorate the situation a bit. He says he did not anticipate all the negative press. Forgive me for snorting incredulously.

But in the end he can't help himself he says it was all great timing and he was lucky.

Anyone who goes to join the enemy should have their citizenship revoked

Define "the enemy" when we have not declared war on the countries involved.

Incredibly foolish for Sajid Javid to not call the Bangladeshi Ambassador to the UK and double check.

I would say it was pretty much deliberate. He had to rush the story out there before the media frenzy died down and everyone calmed down and got back onto other matters. This really was his moment and he seized it. He has now assured all those right press barons that he's their man come any future leadership bids.

It was also Anthony Loyds moment. Both men got to further their careers at the expense of one girls stupidity and a child's misfortune.

Does anyone follow the Secret Barrister on Twitter? Today he references a 'thoughtful document illustrates how to deal with a British woman who travels to join ISIS and has a baby:

• Managed return to UK
• Criminal investigation
• Deradicalisation
• Care for baby...'

It’s the Home Office 2018 counter-terrorism strategy, foreword by Sajid Javid.

And a helpful reminder about the rule of law:
'If you are thinking about replying to this with “But what about the horrific things she’s done/said/supported?”, I can save you some time:
That is the whole point. For the rule of law to mean anything, it has to apply to all of us. Including those who would do us the most harm'.

Death penalty needs to be reinstated for treason.

@midsomermurderess Look at that, he's not even followed the strategy he signed off on.

Definitely a career motivated move

@SaturdayNext are Isis are friends now? I must of missed that 🙄

Oh dear I
see JC has spoken.
The leader hath soaked and the followers fall in behind.

He has soaked but also spoken

@KingHenrysCodpiece thanks for the additional link. I'll read it this evening. I completely agree with you about men furthering their careers at the expense of others.

I am concerned that failure to succeed in this case will lead to calls to tighten up citizenship criteria. At the moment there is a sharp contrast between the Western European / Anglosphere and the rest of the world. We allow pretty much anyone to gain citizenship after living here for a number of years. If it proves impossible to remove their acquired citizenship if they become bad citizens, there is a danger that there will be political momentum towards a jus sanguinis approach to citizenship. New immigrants would only be able to get indefinite leave to remain and would never naturalise. I would like to see things move the other way, with more countries allowing people of different ethnicities to become citizens, own property and participate fully in that society.

Not RTFT but my tuppence ha'penny worth: if she were white, this would not have happened.

She could, of course, be tried for treason if there is sufficient evidence.

But revoking a passport goes too far in my view.

"Death penalty needs to be reinstated for treason."

Oh Good.

Because it's Treason to imagine the overthrow of the monarchy. And I'm imagining it right now.

“Not RTFT but my tuppence ha'penny worth: if she were white, this would not have happened.”

Rubbish.

Death penalty needs to be reinstated for treason.

Yes, agree - let’s execute a teenager who ran away from home as a child and married a terrorist (and joined a proscribed organisation) 🙄

Genevieva

I am concerned that failure to succeed in this case will lead to calls to tighten up citizenship criteria

New immigrants would only be able to get indefinite leave to remain and would never naturalise

Yes that is a real possibility for concern. I think in the cirrent climate such a proposal would gather some notable support. The other concern is the bar for removing citizenship becoming lower.

Of course Corbyn has spoken out . He needs someone to head the next Anti - semitism whitrwash.

Corbyn will be proven to be right on this, like he was on Iraq and Libya.

As opposition leader, we all need to know his views on this, could easily be a GE before this is settled.

*Genevieva

I am concerned that failure to succeed in this case will lead to calls to tighten up citizenship criteria

New immigrants would only be able to get indefinite leave to remain and would never naturalise*

If the majority of the people want this why are you concerned? I don't like it but it's their perogative no?

Define "the enemy" when we have not declared war on the countries involved.

Its not a nation, the enemy are extremists, in this case Islamic. In case you've missed it, they have declared war!

Corbyn will be proven to be right on this, like he was on Iraq and Libya

To think this is black and white scenario is laughable, this situation is far more nuanced than what your making it out to be.

He didn't need to politise it more than it already has, considering 80% of the public don't want her back nobody would have noticed if he just ignored it.

There really isn't a right/wrong side in this long term.

What you have displayed is the cult of Corbyn, I doubt you say he will be proven right regarding his anti EU stance. I bet there is a lot of caveats and mental hoops to justify his principaled stance.

I’m not a SJ fan but all those criticising him do you not realise he will have taken government legal advice.

Hopefully if the decision to take her citizenship fails then the law will change and a hard line will be taken.

isil are at war with the West. They want us dead and thing rape, torture and murder is justified. SB is unrepentant and only wants to come back because Isil is on its knees.

The law in the UK is weak, if she comes back there will be no or little consequences. It’s a kick in the teeth for the Manchester bomb victims and all victims of Isil.

You think this shitshow excuse for a government listen to legal advice?

Shamima Begum isn’t Bangladesh’s problem, she’s ours. what might help is if our government started acting like adults for once instead of using situations for their own ends.

You think this shitshow excuse for a government listen to legal advice?

Do you think legal advise is black and white? Lol

May asks for legal advise, gets one answer, Cornyn gets legal advise he gets a different answer.

It all depends on what the question is!

You think this shitshow excuse for a government listen to legal advice

Ok, someone knowledgeable has entered the discussion...

Shamima Begum isn’t Bangladesh’s problem, she’s ours.

Oh looks like we framing it on a moral stance, therefore we can logically reduce to Syria dealing with her as she broke laws in their country.

what might help is if our government started acting like adults for once instead of using situations for their own ends

Ignoring the slippery slope, this word salad could mean that we enact stricter government policies that target specific demographics, I doubt you are in favour of that

I recognise thisis an incredibly complicated area and initially I thought she should not be allowed back. I still don't think we should be mounting a rescue operation to go and get her; she left willingly. I wouldn't be happy about endangering the life of British soldiers to get her back.

I think revoking her citizenship was childish and stupid. It's also made me be more sympathetic towards her when I realised that they were letting male terrorists who had gone to Isis to fight come back to the UK. I think it's a matter of sexism first racism second. Funnily enough white men then Muslim men get different treatment.

Incidentally I am from Manchester and I'm pretty disgusted by her comments about the Manchester bombing being justified.

I feel sorry for her family. I feel sorry for her baby.