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Shamima Begum has her citizenship revoked

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KenAdams · 19/02/2019 18:48

How can this happen? I thought they aren't allowed to leave a person stateless? Not that I'm disagreeing, I'm just wondering how they managed it.

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TheresACatInMyLaundryBasket · 20/02/2019 23:23

According to the gutter press (I read the DM headlines as part of my daily news catch up- always need to have a few sources, even a vile biased one) "Bangladesh and the Netherlands refuse to give citizenship".

Did anyone actually think that the Netherlands would be mug enough to allow her to settle and take citizenship she has no claim to?! What is this world coming to- even for the daily mail, that's an incredible reach.

Marcipex · 20/02/2019 23:34

So Bangladesh say they won't give her citizenship , and the U.K. says she already has it automatically?

Humptydoo · 20/02/2019 23:38

theresacat, the funny thing is that it was like the Dutch papers couldn’t believe the audacity either, in every article I saw “citizenship” was translated as “a residence permit”. Because you just don’t get given citizenship!

PreseaCombatir · 20/02/2019 23:42

I keep seeing on here people saying she should be brought back.
Can I just clarify that you all mean ‘allowed back’ as opposed to ‘sending someone to go and get her’.
Because, you know, fuck that!

MadCatEnthusiast · 21/02/2019 00:01

Allowed in as in not stopping her from getting help from a British embassy and entering the UK, yes.

LarkDescending · 21/02/2019 00:05

For those interested in the law, here’s another relevant SIAC decision - this one from 2017:

siac.decisions.tribunals.gov.uk/Documents/outcomes/documents/G3%20v%20SSHD%2015.12.17.pdf

In summary, the subject “G3” was born in the UK in 1990 but had a Bangladeshi parent. Accordingly she was automatically entitled to British citizenship by birth, and Bangladeshi citizenship by descent.

On attaining 21 in 2011, the Tribunal found, she had lost her Bangladeshi citizenship by operation of Bangladeshi law, which does not permit dual citizenship over that age. (She would have needed to renounce her British citizenship in order to avoid this outcome).

It followed that the Secretary of State’s decision in 2017 to deprive her of British citizenship was unlawful, because it rendered her stateless.

In Shamima’s case the fact that she is not yet 21, and so has not yet lost her automatic Bangladeshi citizenship by virtue of their rule against dual citizenship, would no doubt be a key factor relied upon by the Home Secretary to distinguish her case from that of “G3”.

Mymycherrypie · 21/02/2019 00:36

Will someone just get her a tissue so she can blow her nose.

BrizzleMint · 21/02/2019 08:14

Will someone just get her a tissue so she can blow her nose.

She's pretending to be near tears I expect.

I'm shocked this morning as I've just found myself agreeing with Donald Trump as he's done the same thing with an American/Albanian dual national.

jasjas1973 · 21/02/2019 08:14

She'll be there years then! If isis don't solve the problem for us first

Yes, lets see her sold into sexual slavery and her baby thrown onto a fire and then gloat about it.... what a vile remark.

SaturdayNext · 21/02/2019 08:17

The U.K. absolutely are responsible for allowing the radicalisation to happen

How do you think 'the UK' could have prevented it?

The UK has a whole programme in place for precisely that purpose. In this particular case the police, social services and the school knew she was almost certainly being radicalised but basically took a very leisurely attitude to dealing with the problem. We need to take some responsibility for that.

MillytantForceit · 21/02/2019 08:18

Not looking good for Sajid.

Iggly · 21/02/2019 08:24

So, there are plenty of men who’ve been allowed back.

Yet this woman who, as far as I know, hasn’t done anything worse than these men, will have her citizenship revoked.

It’s a knee jerk reaction based on gutter press headlines.

If anything it underlines the need for impartial law makers, not racists to set and implement laws.

SaturdayNext · 21/02/2019 08:33

She's pretending to be near tears I expect

Really, Brizzlemint? This is a young woman a few days post partum who is looking at a future in which her own and her baby's chances of survival are slim at best, and she must be pretending?

Or are you by any chance sticking your fingers in your ears and determinedly closing your eyes to any possibility that she might be a human being with a human being's reactions?

HotpotLawyer · 21/02/2019 08:34

@ TheSecretBarrister said on Twitter;
“For the rule of law to mean anything, it has to apply to all of us. Including those who would do us the most harm.”

Iggly · 21/02/2019 08:41

Personally I think she should be allowed to return to the UK, as she is legally allowed to do, and held accountable for her actions.

It just reminds me of the British Empire shipping its criminals over to Australia. Quite an arrogant move with no thought to try and deal with the problem or about the residents already there.

Budsbegginingspringinsight · 21/02/2019 08:42

The law is an evolving thing. it needs to reflect our issue's and society now.
We haven't faced this enemy before and the law firstly needs to protect innocent citizen of UK.
If a law means we are put in danger by it... the law needs too evolve and change.

SaturdayNext · 21/02/2019 08:44

Budsbeggining, how are we put in more danger by this rather dim young woman than we are by the male ISIS adherents who have been allowed to return and stay without a fuss?

Budsbegginingspringinsight · 21/02/2019 08:45

Choco your previous comments about this girl seeing what no one should have too rings hollow too me.

For years we have had to protect our children from ghastly newspaper front pages of men in cages about to be burnt alive... the radio... the news on TV. All of which was there for this girl too see before she went.
We have all seen things we should have never seen heard, read about due to this disgusting group.

Aridane · 21/02/2019 08:46

Will someone just get her a tissue so she can blow her nose.

She's pretending to be near tears I expect

Post partum and in a refugee camp - of course she’s fucking near tears (and that’s before you take into account death of her previous DC , (permanent) separation from DH, deprivation of her citizenship and the international glare of publicity and hatred)

Budsbegginingspringinsight · 21/02/2019 08:47

I don't know the case's of the other men, if you do tell us about them and we can take a look.

I see a remorseless dangerous individual with no sense of the wider picture here or what she's been complicit in.

Budsbegginingspringinsight · 21/02/2019 08:57

Interesting what pp said about prevent.

Remember the luthun Rahman scandal (sp)

Panarma did extensive investigation into his dodgy conduct, allegation of link's too European Islamic council, extremism , extremist literature coming out etc...

It's a rotten area where extremism has been allowed too flourish...

Iggly · 21/02/2019 08:58

We haven't faced this enemy before and the law firstly needs to protect innocent citizen of UK.
If a law means we are put in danger by it... the law needs too evolve and change

How does the citizenship revoking actually help?

Marcipex · 21/02/2019 09:09

Iggly well, she won't be here I suppose. If she loses her appeal, that is.

Marcipex · 21/02/2019 09:13

It is too late now, to talk of prevention.
I hope the view of the camp that I saw is not all there is for mothers and babies. I hope there are some washing facilities for instance.

woodhill · 21/02/2019 09:16

How is her family financing the lawyer?

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