Is it all the Tories fault that there's so many homeless people?

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There's so many more homeless thesedays. Is it down to austerity?

Who has discredited the UN report justanother?

Everyone who looked into the report and not the reporting of it, one guy holding coffee mornings for 2 weeks is why it's been ignored by every academic institution as nothing more than anecdotal data that is pushing a political narrative.

Note, I'm not saying we do not have a problem in the UK

UC only has support from people who’ve never seen the immediate and devastating impact it has

UC has cross party support, the issue is the implementation on roll out, not UC itself, it is here to stay

UC has cross party support

Not all parties, and please, don’t tell me that politicians have the measure of what the roll out of UC has done in realistic terms. Because the vast majority don’t.

The SNP in particular is vocal in its condemnation of UC.

Want to back that up with facts and sources Justanother

Quite. References please.

Back what up?

UC has cross party support from the beginning, if you can find any manifesto pledge saying that UC will be abandoned then I will cede, also all talk of labour politicians has been about halting the rollout Because of the shit show. If the opposite is out there then it should be easy to find...

it, as stated, does NOT have cross party support

And people want proof of your ridiculous assertion that the UN report has been discredited. Because it hasn’t.

The SNP are not going to reverse it either, labour,cons are in favour, all parties were for benefit reform hence why UC came to be.

cross party report, directly stating that UC isn’t a good idea

I never said they’d reverse it, I was rebutting your confident statement it had cross party support. Which it doesn’t, and has never had.

Do you understand politics? Or do you just make shit up and not back it up?

Until the SNP can convince Westminster namely labour, Conservatives and lib Dems then it's here to stay.

Labour have been pretty vocal in their condemnation of it too.

But not in your world eh?

UC came to be because of a conservative majority, they didn’t need the other parties.

I never said they’d reverse it, I was rebutting your confident statement it had cross party support.

That's my fault for not including Scotland and the SNP in my assertion

The Shadow chancellor said 2 months ago if they got into power they’d scrap it and replace it with something better.

That’s Labour, in England. The Shadow Chancellor no less.

Not exactly cross party support.

That's my fault for not including Scotland and the SNP in my assertion

You wouldn’t be the first and you won’t be the last. Only time anyone took notice of the SNP was to allow the DUP in instead. That went well.

The Shadow chancellor said 2 months ago if they got into power they’d scrap it and replace it with something better.

Would probably is political manoeuvring, nothing more. Up until this moment it has had cross party support (minus the SNP) it is only the shit show of the roll out That's been called into question

Swerrrrrrrrve

You’ve backed up literally nothing that you’ve said, clearly haven’t read the links (you know, the cross party condemnation of UC) and will not listen to reason or indeed facts.

You’ve made it all up and have been pulled up on it. That’s another fact.

No discrediting of the UN report to be found, anywhere. Interestingly, since the government would have jumped on it if it was there and spread it far and wide no?

No cross party support, backed up with actual evidence from cross party MPs. In fact the opposite is true.

So, for the last time, care to back up any of your assertions?

UC is a "good idea" having all benefits in one payment good having a benefit that adjusts to your income fluidly also good unfortunately the reality is it does not work people with money who have never lived on benefits trying to make this function is never going to work you have four or more payments going into one child tax credit worked out yearly in advance and paid weekly housing benefit paid four weekly in arrears jsa etc paid fortnightly in arrears child benefit paid weekly can no one else see the issue? How can you take payments made in advance payments made in arrears and payments made when due and lump them into one payment it is fine in principle but reality it does not work

Universal credit sends the message that now you are all lumped together in one group
One undifferentiated mass
All the same, one great big lumpenproletariat under class

Wordthe absolutely, and people buy into it like it’s acceptable. Ugh.

I can’t remember who it was who spoke about the flood of poor Eastern Europeans causing the homeless charities to be overwhelmed.

The introduction of UC is actually having a massive impact on them as change in their circumstances means they have to claim UC instead of old benefits. They have to then go through a strict habitual residence test which means they have to prove residence and in lots of cases that they have been economically active (there are a number of routes to the test).

A lot of people who have been receiving housing benefit for a number of years are failing these tests so then lose all welfare support after being here for years so it is for want of a better word, weeding out the ones who came here to claim benefits.

It is very easy to see a pattern with different nationalities. Polish people rarely remain on benefits for very long and generally have a strong work ethic (although sadly quite a high alcoholism rate). Other nationalities not so much.

That has been discredited apart from those who want to make political hay, one guy spending 2 weeks having coffee mornings is not even if you squint hard enough, quantative data collection

No it hasn't you just made that up, nothing can be said against your beloved tory party lol!

The UK has problems, it's pretty much world wide the EU also, but as I said initially it's easier for some to just point the finger instead of accepting some of the economic structural reform that's needed

The tories have been in power for 8 years, at what point do you start blaming the incumbent government? 10 15 or 50years? why are you deverting toward the EU? we are leaving, so its irrelevant.

hence why I think Corbyn wouldn't change much, hence why UC has cross party support and Labours manifesto wasn't going to undo many of the cuts Tories have already brought in

No it hasn't at all, again you just made it up!
Labour (or indeed any opposition party) cannot commit to undo Tory "reforms" as they do not know the state of the economy, spending billions on IHT and Corp tax cuts, worth several billions is an example of this.

you have completely failed to answer any criticism of the present government and its policies, just putting up a whole heap of weak argument as to why it can't possibly be their fault.

The idea behind UC of "making work pay" is only valid if you have a decent "living" minimum wage that is properly adhered to. Otherwise it's a race to the bottom. A decent standard of benefit also needs to be paid to those who cannot work because of illness/disability, including mental health difficulties. The Tory government has abjectly failed to do both of the above. The current system of assessors blatantly lying on disability claims so that claimants aren't awarded their proper level of benefits unless they go to appeal is scandalous. I wonder how many mentally ill or disabled people have been made homeless because they didn't understand the appeals process.