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If you like Star Trek which was your favourite series?

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whyameyehere · 06/12/2018 16:03

Just started rewatching DS9 on netflix.

Did start to watch discovery but couldn't get into it

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GooodMythicalMorning · 07/12/2018 09:14

Torn between voyager and tng. Love Janeway. Could watch them both over and over.

KismetHardie · 07/12/2018 09:17

Very good point about the Janeway criticism Jamie. Yes Errol that was the reference-I suddenly got worried about spoiling it!

Figgygal · 07/12/2018 09:20

TNG horribly dated Now but definitely Picard and crew
I really enjoyed discovery and waiting for it to return

Never watched enterprise

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JamieVardysHavingAParty · 07/12/2018 10:51

I love Discovery, but I struggled with believing in it as Star Trek because the tech levels are so obviously beyond that of Kirk's ship in TOS. They might do something about series 2 though.

In the meantime, I've built a whole personal headcanon to explain the inconsistencies!

ErrolTheDragon · 07/12/2018 11:25

There's no point worrying about inconsistencies. Each series is a product of its times - the evolution of sex and race equality in real life can't be avoided. Quibbling about technologies is futile, especially the ones which do break the laws of physics. Of course, in retrospect some mistakes were made using what was at the time 'cutting edge' technology which now looks ridiculously dated (the molecular graphics in The Wrath of Khan is the one which always leaps out at me).

The reboot films were a stroke of genius in allowing a whole parallel timeline where they didn't have to bring along much baggage. Even the main characters have had different formative experiences, except for Spock Prime who nailed it together.

JamieVardysHavingAParty · 07/12/2018 12:07

Errol, all true, but it still makes it difficult for me to suspend disbelief fully wjen I watch it. Or at least it did.

I've explained it all now.

Discovery is the best research ship the Federation has, and in order to progress their cutting edge research they realised that they needed to recruit from a diverse pool in order to find the true best in their fields. That's why we see the diverse working environment we do.

Kirk's Enterprise ten-odd years later, on the other hand, is actually one of the most basic ships in the fleet, set up with equipment that can be more easily repaired in the field without being docked at a space station. The more sophisticated ships are needed closer to Earth, in the charge of captains that aren't Kirk.

Kirk has gone down in Starfleet history due to his feats on the exploratory mission, but it starts off because they want to get rid of him. Back home at Starfleet, he is regarded as an embarrassing anachronism. He's chauvinistic, struggles with alien cultures, refuses to tolerate humans with cybernetic modifications, is appalling in hand-to-hand combat and he's always one step away from being disciplined by Starfleet H.R. for sexual harassment.

As well as the dubious achievement of hacking one of his exams, he's the most frequent flyer at the GUM Clinic run by Starfleet Medical. After a particularly embarrassing incident between him and a beautiful ambassador, Starfleet decides to promote him sideways and just send him away somewhere, anywhere. They finalise it as a mission of exploration to parts undiscovered.

And then he makes a success of it. Back home, they are very, very unhappy.

His ship is staffed with all the misfits they couldn't put anywhere else, including Spock. Once Spock had got through Starfleet Academy, they had to assign him somewhere, or risk a diplomatic incident with Vulcan. So they dumped him with Kirk and bigged up the prestige of the mission. Spock knows all this, of course, but he's studied human history of social progress and has decided it's more logical to accept the assignment than to resign from Starfleet. Kirk doesn't know this, because he's not that political a thinker. Kirk thinks the mission to boldly go is a genuine one and he's lucky to get it.

CmdrIvanova · 07/12/2018 12:25

I've just re-registered purely to say that JamieVardysHavingAParty is an absolute genius Grin

JamieVardysHavingAParty · 07/12/2018 12:42

It works, doesn't it? Grin

It even explains the Enterprise uniforms. They have the frontline uniforms, that are easy to patch and repair by hand if necessary.

BlackAmericanoNoSugar · 07/12/2018 12:54

Jamie they should have employed you as part of the script-writing team. That was a masterful back story.

Pedallleur · 07/12/2018 13:25

Each series had its merits but who would you want to go into battle with vs Klingons/Borg? For me it's Picard/Ryker but Janeway can dish it out. DS9 was ok and I liked how it ran with Sisko becoming the emissary and some interesting characters particularly Garek(?) who was gradually revealed to be a very layered character compared to Gul Dukat. But Stewart made that bridge his own imo and set the bar for the others. The Chris Pine films are great bringing a revamp to the story lines we know.

Becca19962014 · 07/12/2018 13:29

Every Christmas I treat myself to a trek box set. Two years ago I bought the whole of TNG by mistake! I'd forgotten how much I loved it though. I've the original series too and got series one of Voyager and ds9 last year - ds9 I'm enjoying more this time around.

I've all of enterprise (I know! They were a gift) and just bought discovery I'm not sure I'm going to enjoy it though. I didn't like the reboot movies they just struck me as lazy, I know a lot who loved them though so that's probably just me. Wrath of Khan is my favourite and I was never going to enjoy it being messed around with!

Becca19962014 · 07/12/2018 13:32

I'm old enough that when wrath of Khan was made the third one had just been commissioned and it totally ruined the end of wrath of Khan I've wondered for over thirty five years who thought it a good idea to release the title of the third film so quickly! Watching a collectors edition with commentary it was widely slammed but none of the commentators could work out who it was or wanted to admit to it!

ErrolTheDragon · 07/12/2018 13:43

I liked Scott Bakula Enterprise and regret it was cut short (the final episode wasn't good, the Riker/Troi thing was a terrible idea). The development of Star Fleet, how the Prime Directive was developed etc were fine - I don't think it lacked ethics at all, it explored them.

Leaving the rest aside, I think Big Bang Theory called original v TNG correctly- best series original 2 (1 was patchy, some of 3 was dire, let's be honest) but best captain was Picard.

JamieVardysHavingAParty · 07/12/2018 13:43

I don't like the reboots so much, either.

Pedallleur I'd want to be a passenger with Captain Picard for survival, but being on the bridge with Captain Kirk would win for entertainment value, provided I could keep a straight face. I've rather ragged on him, but he has his great points.

elQuintoConyo · 07/12/2018 13:57

TNG over here.

When things are going pear-shaped in the Conyo house we state 'could be worse, you could be Tasha Yar' GrinShock

MartaHallard · 07/12/2018 13:59

Without Spock's restraining influence, Kirk might have been a disaster. He broke the rules, and took so many risks, but got lucky because it nearly always paid off. It could just as easily have gone the other way.

Similarly Spock might not have done so well if he'd landed on another ship without Kirk and McCoy, who are both very human, and not afraid to show emotion, to act as counter-balance to his logical side.

cropcirclesinthefields · 07/12/2018 13:59

I loved DS9 and Voyager. I writing in DS9 was brilliant, so many storylines that was so hard hitting. I remember watching the episode where Nog looses his leg in the early 2000s and thinking how relevent this is to the Afghan conflict, even though it was written and aired in 1999. Although I do have a big crush on Alexander sidig 😍

Voyager I liked the female leads and to have a woman in the chair was a welcome change to the status quo, and also it was nice not to see the same old aliens all the time like you saw in all the others. I do agree that we should use Neelix as target practice.

Oh and would someone PLEASE promote Harry Kim the poor dude was an ensign for the whole 7 years, he was in need of a promotion.

ErrolTheDragon · 07/12/2018 14:22

I thought the ending of DS 9 was a bit of a let down (except for when Kai Winn finally saw through Gul Dukat) ... not sure what else I thought could happen though.

JamieVardysHavingAParty · 07/12/2018 14:36

If you haven't seen Star Trek Discovery,

LOOK AWAY NOW. SPOILERS FOR ST: DISCOVERY, SEASON 1

Spock could really have struggled on another ship. We didn't know it when we watched at the time, but Spock wasn't just struggling with the role of trailblazer as the first Vulcan in Starfleet, and his father's disapproval. Turns out he was also dealing with the ramifications of being related to MB. In my head-canon, one of the great things about Kirk is that in all the banter at Spock's expense, he never, ever mentions that, and he doesn't allow anyone on the Enterprise ever to mention it. Kirk has lines that one does not cross.

Related to this, Chekhov is a brilliant young officer who does not understand why he encountered some delays before he was assigned to a role befitting his qualifications on the bridge of a ship. His Starfleet Academy transcript speaks for itself and he is bilingual, speaking both his parents' language of Russian and Federation Standard, which he speaks so well he doesn't need the Universal Translator. He's very proud of that, and he's adjusted the setting on his own device to allow his own voice to override the automatic translation.

What Chekhov doesn't know is that most of the interviewing captains didn't agree he spoke Federation Standard well enough to eliminate the necessity for Translation, and they found his accent (and occasional Russian swearing) distracting. They all concluded the accent would be a liability in high-pressure situations.

No-one has been comfortable with telling him this. Partially out of politeness, but mostly because they know that they're infringing employment legislation.

After so many Captains telling Starfleet that Chekhov just wasn't a good fit with their present crew, Starfleet puts him with Kirk. It turns out that although Kirk can't deal with cybernetically-augmented crewmembers, he's perfectly at ease with Chekhov's accent, and thinks it's a captain's job to be to work with human imperfections like that.

MartaHallard · 07/12/2018 15:07

would someone PLEASE promote Harry Kim

Harry and B'elanna were the two characters who lost out the most when it became All About Seven, imo. She did their jobs, so Harry hardly got any storylines, and B'elanna's were all about her personal issues, instead of her being an engineer. Then in one season the actress was pregnant, and in the final season they made the character pregnant, so that was more opportunities for her to be really kickass lost.

Becca19962014 · 07/12/2018 15:19

errol I liked the final season of enterprise and found it more interesting. Scott Bakula will forever be Sam Beckett for me though!

CmdrIvanova · 07/12/2018 16:01

I've never watched a single episode of Enterprise, even though I've seen everything else several times over. Do I need to, or shall I continue to ignore it?

Also, the best film is a tie between The Undiscovered Country and First Contact.

HoundOfTheBasketballs · 07/12/2018 16:36

I haven't watched Enterprise either. It seems like it's pretty Marmite!

MartaHallard · 07/12/2018 16:36

Also, the best film is a tie between The Undiscovered Country and First Contact.

I agree with that. Shatner was good in Undiscovered Country. Although I do like the crash sequence in Generations. I saw that at the cinema, and it was great. (Memo to self: never leave Riker in charge, you won't get your ship back in the same condition you left it. J-L P.)

CollapsedGingerbreadHouse · 07/12/2018 16:43

JamieVardysHavingAParty you are brilliant. I'm totally buying it!

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