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CBB 'punch' incident. Views?

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YeOldeFishWife · 01/09/2018 11:09

Not sure about this as it is highly irritating to have someone jumping around you pretend to 'box' and he could have poked her by accident. She was in a car accident recently and could be tender there. Some could say she had a right to complain even though he was obviously not deliberately trying to hurt her.

The asking for him to be removed from the house (if she did that) and claims that he'd 'beaten her up' were a complete overreaction of though.

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GunpowderGelatine · 04/09/2018 04:31

Sorry pressed post too soon

Would you dismiss 20 rapes a year as being not important?

Who said it wasn't important?

I said it's not something I'm passionate about fighting against. I can't be active against every injustice.

My figures are from the CPS, but happy to read from a more credible source.

And no I wouldn't say that to my son but if he was convict d of a rape I wouldn't assume he was innocent just because he's my son

And I'll say it again - specially when it comes to celebrities false AND true accusations do or hinder a career or reputation

BabyCobra · 04/09/2018 04:35

I am not sure CPS is a reliable source here. It is not really in their interests to report miscarriage of justice is it?

GunpowderGelatine · 04/09/2018 04:49

I am not sure CPS is a reliable source here

Yeah, the very service designed for bringing prosecutions is an unreliable source WRT statistics on prosecutions.

Tell me, where can I find a better source?

I'm beginning to think people on this thread went to the Mickey Mouse School of law.

ShastaBeast · 04/09/2018 05:22

I’m sure my law course stated slander was civil and only libel could be criminal- currently revising and it’s not the best course.

I don’t know if anyone has mentioned the possibility of - if someone pokes my arm it hurts a lot and for ages after my DH ridiculed me for my reaction to a normal touch until we understood it. I’m careful in public and quickly stop people if they elbow me while reading a newspaper etc . Although gh It be more mental than physical in this case, over sensitivity or compulsive lying. Can it be defamation if someone believes it is true due to their mental state?

ShastaBeast · 04/09/2018 05:24

Sorry that was meant to say allodynia. Bloody iPad

Mellodrama · 04/09/2018 05:38
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CBB 'punch' incident. Views?
dustarr73 · 04/09/2018 05:45

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youarenotkiddingme · 04/09/2018 06:16

It's not minimising rape. Rape is horrendous and life changing. I know. I've been through it.

But I've also witnessed someone be falsely accused of rape - it's been life changing for them too.

I agree the actual physical act isn't there and o didn't mean it's the same physically iyswim? I'm just trying to get across that false accusations are as life changing and do have a massive impact. In fact we've recently seen a very high profile case evidencing the same thing.

dustarr73 · 04/09/2018 06:25

It's not minimising rape
I know, how can you minimise something that never happened.Whereas the accused something is definately happening.

GunpowderGelatine · 04/09/2018 07:53

But I've also witnessed someone be falsely accused of rape - it's been life changing for them too

I take it the accuser was convicted of perverting the course of justice?

youarenotkiddingme · 04/09/2018 08:14

Received a caution gun. But nothing more due to age. Angry

I've spoken to my friend who has told me I can discuss his feelings.

But basically he fully admits that as someone unthread so crassly put "no, no one shoved their penis into my vagina. But neither did I shove mine on anyone else's".

However, I did rack up masses of debt staying hotel rooms as I wasn't allowed to return to the family home and my parents 'didn't want to take sides' or 'not be able to have GC visit' so they wouldn't let me stay there.
I can no longer attend family events where the person attends due to fear and discomfort of everyone watching my every move. I don't attend events where she ain't present as there's still the welding of being watched and wondering if people truely believe I'm innocent - even though I was 110 miles from the location at the time I was accused.
I had to give up my job as it involved being around potentially vulnerable people and needing to physically intervene because if the nature of my role. I questioned my every touch and everything I said. I felt scrutinised.
I couldn't walk down a street without constantly wondering about who I'd meet, how they'd construe my actions towards them or what they felt of me.

So no, I wasn't physically assaulted by from hearing the feelings people who have been raped report to experience I have suffered all those. The person who made the accusation experienced no assault what so ever.

BabyCobra · 04/09/2018 08:49

Very few people will be convicted of perverting the course of justice- which is why using CPS statistics is staggeringly naive.

At best charges are dropped or a caution is given- neither of which remotely touch the damage done.

At worst people languish in prison because they could not afford legal representation but have to rely on overworked duty solicitors who just want the case off their desk.

BabyCobra · 04/09/2018 08:52

Saying most or false accusers are convicted of perverting the course of justice is like saying all rapists are convicted.

The justice system doesn't only fail the victims of crime.

winniestone37 · 04/09/2018 09:29

*aside we all knew that when she said girl what she meant. Grow up.

nonnatushouse · 04/09/2018 09:48

After watching the footage it seems to me that she believes her lies which is the worrying thing. The majority of the public announcing that she was ‘obviously’ lying.

It wasn’t obvious at all that she was lying. She was very convincing, manipulative is the word. She claims to be a victim of previous domestic assault, this has cast a shadow over those allegations.

It’s an insult to any man or woman whose been the victim of actual domestic violence.

BabyCobra · 04/09/2018 09:53

I honestly wonder if she is sociopathic- it all seemed quite emotionless and 'dead behind the eyes'.

rainbowsandsmiles · 04/09/2018 09:56

Babycobra -I agree re emotionless - there seems to be nothing behind the eyes, no reaction or anything. Even the so called apology was all me me me, I, I, I. Everything has been to paint her as the victim right down to the "she vomited as soon as she left the studio" and calling herself a girl.
She's a grown woman, not a little baby girl. Manipulating.

BastardGoDarkly · 04/09/2018 10:02

I read a mirror article yesterday. And low and behold, comment after comment of.... see? This happens all the time, when will people see women are fucking men over at every turn? Sickening.

StarsMoonSun · 04/09/2018 10:06

I saw the train video of RP claiming she was being harassed. From my point of view it was her who was harassing the young lads.

She must be a very disturbed character to, not only falsely accuse an innocent man of abuse, but to also make those accusations knowing that everything was being recorded makes her seem even more disturbed!
As for historical claims of abuse, how do we know she's not made all this up?
And just imagine if sometime in the future she finds herself on the receiving end of real domestic violence.... how will she be able to ask for help? , no one will believe a word that comes from her mouth.

MrsChollySawcutt · 04/09/2018 10:09

Hopefully she will fade from view now.

But more likely she will get a big paycheque to be a pantomime villain this Xmas.

rainbowsandsmiles · 04/09/2018 10:11

Exactly, nobody's going to believe a word she says.

Sithis · 04/09/2018 10:16

She was trying for victim points and attention. The problem is that she forgot that she was on camera. When she realised she was caught and the backlash she faced, she apologised.
Truly a vile action which luckily was caught on camera, so as not to destroy Ryan's career.
To me, it's proof that #MeToo's "judge, just and executioner" approach is massively flawed and potentially damaging for innocent parties.

lostinjapan · 04/09/2018 11:09

If anyone wants to set up support groups for the 20 or so men a year falsely accused of crimes go ahead. It's not a battle I'll be fighting for.

You can't seriously believe only 20 men a year are falsely accused of rape?

I don't think you'd be so dismissive about someone setting up an FGM support group. Even though nobody's ever been convicted of FGM in this country, so by your logic it doesn't happen. And I don't think you'd agree that 'only' 3000 people are raped each year in the UK, even though that's the number of convictions.

You don't need to 'fight a battle' against false accusations of rape and violence, but when you're reading the story of one of the victims you can still have a little empathy.

CarpeVitam · 04/09/2018 11:52

I'm a tad late to the debate but @GunpowderGelatine is correct. Libel and slander are civil matters. Defamation is a 'tort' which a civil wrong and is therefore not a police/criminal matter.