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CBB 'punch' incident. Views?

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YeOldeFishWife · 01/09/2018 11:09

Not sure about this as it is highly irritating to have someone jumping around you pretend to 'box' and he could have poked her by accident. She was in a car accident recently and could be tender there. Some could say she had a right to complain even though he was obviously not deliberately trying to hurt her.

The asking for him to be removed from the house (if she did that) and claims that he'd 'beaten her up' were a complete overreaction of though.

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GunpowderGelatine · 03/09/2018 21:02

rainbow, worridmum only ever seems to pop up on these kind of threads to spread nonsense about terrible women and the many men she seems to know who are falsely accused

rainbowsandsmiles · 03/09/2018 21:03

rainbow, worridmum only ever seems to pop up on these kind of threads to spread nonsense about terrible women and the many men she seems to know who are falsely accused

So where was she spreading nonsense and rape apologising on this thread?
The only one talking nonsense is yourself.

GunpowderGelatine · 03/09/2018 21:04

So because the vast majority of crimes are by men, it's hard to see them as people too? That's how it sounds.If that's not what you meant, what actually is it that makes you not able to see it's about people?

I don't k ow if you're being obtuse or just not getting it but I think you need to stop putting words in my mouth. Ryan Thomas is not a DV victim, or a victim of anything but a lie - he is not on par with DV victims

GunpowderGelatine · 03/09/2018 21:05

rainbkw by saying that certain professions can never work ever again after accusations, this just isn't true

rainbowsandsmiles · 03/09/2018 21:08

Ryan Thomas is not a DV victim, or a victim of anything but a lie - he is not on par with DV victims

I'm not putting words in your mouth, I even said that's how it comes across and if that's not what you meant, what actually do you mean?
You still haven't properly answered.
Nobody has said he's a DV victim, noone at all. Nobody has said he's on a par with DV victims.
False accusations, lying, turning people against you, that's mental abuse. Which is also serious.

GunpowderGelatine · 03/09/2018 21:09

I've been fairly clear what I mean, I don't know what you expect me to say really?

worridmum · 03/09/2018 21:11

is it not? do you think a School will hire a teacher if they have child / sexually offenses on record? as in if they are charged or investigated it GOES onto your record and is disclosed when DBS checks.

How am i spreading untruths when 99.99% of places with a DBS requirements would simply not employ someone so is effectively barred from the profession.

How am I spreading misinformation? this is easily googlable that ALL contact a subject has with the police regarding ANY sexually offenses will be disclosed in any future DBS checks and will also appear for checks relating to Claires law....

This is NOT OPINION it is FACT, but hey apparently i am a rape apologist never mind i am a sexual abuse survivor.

worridmum · 03/09/2018 21:14

I did not say they can never work again, I am sure they can pick up a job in a supermarket or any job that does not require a DBS check I was simply stating that if the job requires a DBS check you will be effectively barred from these as places will NOT take the risk of employing someone with these sort of police contact on record.

rainbowsandsmiles · 03/09/2018 21:16

is it not? do you think a School will hire a teacher if they have child / sexually offenses on record
Exactly this, I started writing a post with a hypothetical teacher being accused of sexual assault but deleted it as thought "nah, there's no point, seems she's determined not to understand!"

GunpowderGelatine · 03/09/2018 21:22

worridmum you said an accusation would lead to them never working in that profession again. This is total bollocks.

If someone is accused but not charged (and I think it's important to point out that, to charge, the CPS need to believe the case has a fantastic chance of winning in court - a woman can't just rock up to a police station, rattle out a lie and have a man charged) then it may come up on An Enhanced CRB in the section that is basically 'other information' - however there is a very strict framework for including information in this section, and it's ultimately as the discretion of the local police force on wether they want to use that framework or not. It's taken very seriously and a decision to include information is signed off by the highest officer in the force.

Badically, the framework is a flowchart which covers things like 'do the police believe it was a true representation of the event' and there's also a question about affecting the reputation of the person. If it's 'no' they can't include it. It is extremely unlikely that a false allegation, which the police deem false, will end up on there. And if it does the person can appeal to have it removed. It's rare information does very end up in this section.

If there is information on people CRB certificates, it will 99.9% of the time be there for a good reason.

So stop talking rubbish and fact check before you rattle out this nonsense

GunpowderGelatine · 03/09/2018 21:26

Sorry I meant DBS not CRB!

And you're wrong Worrid that investigation end up on a DBS certificate - that's only if they end in a caution, charge, reprimand or conviction (and if they do there's very good reason to believe this person did commit this crime) .

For anyone interested in the aforementioned framework https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachmentdata/file/295392/DBSSApplicantssintroductiontooQAFMarchh2014.pdf

BoneyBackJefferson · 03/09/2018 21:27

If there is information on people CRB certificates, it will 99.9% of the time be there for a good reason.

Accusations leave shadows on reports.

Tigger001 · 03/09/2018 21:27

I think I have seen her on the advert for the island celebrity thingy with bear grylls. I think it truly disgusting what she did, Shame they can't find a way to cut her out if the show as a punishment for lying and the police do something to make an example of her. This could destroy people lives and it just not acceptable behaviour imo

worridmum · 03/09/2018 21:28

Nope the rules changed after Ian Huntley murders so ANY contact with the police relating to sexual offenses or violence against vulnerable people are disclosed as a matter of course now.

Ian Huntley was not charged with anything but had numerous dealings with the police per to that fate incident but hey ignore the current UK law and how DBS work, as that does not fit within your narrative.

rwalker · 03/09/2018 21:28

It's in hand now and she's truly sorry yeah truly sorry she's been rumbled and exposed for the vicious lair she is . What has shocked me is that I don't think any friends or colleagues have defended her just confirmed how vile she is

GunpowderGelatine · 03/09/2018 21:28

Cast your eye to page 7, where it asks "is it reasonable to believe the information to be true" - if the answer is no, the information is discarded, aka doesn't go on the Enhanced DBS certificate. So don't worry, if anyone is truly falsely accused, their certificate will be fine and they can work in the profession again

GunpowderGelatine · 03/09/2018 21:30

Nope the rules changed after Ian Huntley murders so ANY contact with the police relating to sexual offenses or violence against vulnerable people are disclosed as a matter of course now

Wrong, yet again. The Soham murders triggered the need for CRB checks, it didn't change the rules on them. They didn't exist before the Soham murders. I have linked to the framework for this, so don't just take my word for it.

rainbowsandsmiles · 03/09/2018 21:33

What has shocked me is that I don't think any friends or colleagues have defended her just confirmed how vile she is

It is very damning that there is not one person come out in her defence, isn't it? You'd think someone, somewhere, would have a good word to say her about her.

worridmum · 03/09/2018 21:33

Have you even read that document you linked pages 3 and 4 state that THEY WILL RELEASE information of things classed as non-convictions aka things that have not lead to prosecution but are possibility important to disclose.

So please do not call me wrong when in fact your document you linked to prove me wrong says exactly what i said.....

For future reference read the entire document rather then cherry pick the tiny bit that might possbily support your absurd arguement becaus eall it does is leave egg on your face when people read it in full.

GunpowderGelatine · 03/09/2018 21:34

Also, Ian Huntley was charged with rape and it had been dropped a week later. He had a string of sexual allegations, not just the odd one - so if he was to have an Enhanced DBS check today it's certain that any police force would think around about a dozen accusations warrants the information to be disclosed on his certificate.

GunpowderGelatine · 03/09/2018 21:37

No worrid ot doesn't state they WILL release it, it states that non-convict on information can be considered. Maybe read it properly yourself

GunpowderGelatine · 03/09/2018 21:38

Also it's not absurd to state fact - that false accusations are rare. I don't know why exactly people get so offended by this fact but there you go.

@Tigger001 out of interest what crime has Roxanne committed that she could be arrested for? She's an awful human being by woman it not illegal to lie

GunpowderGelatine · 03/09/2018 21:41

In case anyone doesn't believe that false accusations are rare in more than happy to link to the relevant CPS report. Although I suspect posters will be more interested in whining about how they ruin men's lives.

worridmum · 03/09/2018 21:42

Gunpowder are you so dense that IF SOMEONE IS APPLYING TO WORK IN A SCHOOL that the police will not disclouse the information that such and such was accussed of a sexual offence be it rape, child abuse?

Or that someone applying for a residental home will not disclouse if they have had contact with the police revovling around sexaul offencea, abuse agaisnt disabled or elderly people.

Really common sense dictates that they WILL disclose this to the relevant parties because due to vulnerable nature it will seen as needed.

That wording allows for discretion about 2 school children had a fight at 13 / 14 so not needing it to be disclosed as violence against a child.

But really its like talking to a brick wall with you and you apparently cannot argue with stupid.

rainbowsandsmiles · 03/09/2018 21:46

@Tigger001 out of interest what crime has Roxanne committed that she could be arrested for?

Yeah, I know, before you start that I'm not Tigger. However, I can comment my piece too.
That's just it, Roxanne as it stands hasn't done anything to warrant the police getting involved as she was FOUND OUT.
She was absolutely adamant that he had hit her though, a serious allegation - and was determined to turn everyone against him. If she hadn't been found out, she was carrying it on.
The wide eyed "What do you mean? I am telling the truth."
If there wasn't the footage, and it was taken further, then yes, I think she could be prosecuted then. Probably for false accusations, wasting police time etc.