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CBB 'punch' incident. Views?

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YeOldeFishWife · 01/09/2018 11:09

Not sure about this as it is highly irritating to have someone jumping around you pretend to 'box' and he could have poked her by accident. She was in a car accident recently and could be tender there. Some could say she had a right to complain even though he was obviously not deliberately trying to hurt her.

The asking for him to be removed from the house (if she did that) and claims that he'd 'beaten her up' were a complete overreaction of though.

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rainbowsandsmiles · 03/09/2018 20:26

DH is from the same city as her and the comments online from his friends and their Spotted type pages wishing her dead is a massive overreaction IMO.

Of course that's a massive over-reaction, nobody should be saying anything like that, and threats towards another person is disgusting.

DioneTheDiabolist · 03/09/2018 20:27

I'd be very distant if a friend was investigated for 4 years for historical sexual offences to this point they couldn't live with their children.
Of course he couldn't live with his children while this was going on. As I said, there was a long time between the accusation and the arrest. Most people did distance themselves which lead to his family being isolated while they suffered intimidation and bullying. It ruined their lives.

Im also amazed that any newspaper worth their salt would publish a statement from a man charged with sexual offences.
It was his accuser who went to the press. That's when people copped on that the accusation was false.

GunpowderGelatine · 03/09/2018 20:28

True. But I also don't know for sure that the sun won't rise tomorrow. I can make an educated guess though, and I bet my bottom dollar that in one year's time Ryan's career is still going strong and his fan base is still there (as it should be!). Roxanne's career will be over, I'm sure, but again I can't find myself sympathising much. I know from trusted friends and family and what I've seen on TV etc that she's a nasty piece of work and this is karma with bells on!

GunpowderGelatine · 03/09/2018 20:29

It was his accuser who went to the press. That's when people copped on that the accusation was false.

Hmm

Plenty of women have waived their right to anonymity. It doesn't make them false accusers. And in be amazed that someone lying would put them self in the firing line like that 🤷‍♀️

rainbowsandsmiles · 03/09/2018 20:30

and I bet my bottom dollar that in one year's time Ryan's career is still going strong and his fan base is still there (as it should be!)

You're STILL all about the career, the fan base. Not mental health. You're very dismissive of that.

GunpowderGelatine · 03/09/2018 20:30

And FWIW I don't think Roxanne believes she was hurt at all - she wanted the headlines with her accusation, this is a very good case of being careful what you wish for!

GunpowderGelatine · 03/09/2018 20:32

Oh give it a rest rainbows. How do you know he won't be out and completely over it after a day when he sees the support he's had? Why do I have to care about the hypothetical mental health of a granger in a years time? And I don't know what your point is in all this really.

GunpowderGelatine · 03/09/2018 20:32

*stanger

GunpowderGelatine · 03/09/2018 20:32

*stranger, FFS!

rainbowsandsmiles · 03/09/2018 20:34

And I don't know what your point is in all this really.

It's obvious what yours is. He's a bloke so he's teflon coated, he'll get over it.

rainbowsandsmiles · 03/09/2018 20:35

How do you know he won't be out and completely over it after a day when he sees the support he's had?

I don't, that's just it! Just like you don't know he'll be fine.

GunpowderGelatine · 03/09/2018 20:37

Yeah, I'm all about the man 🙄

My point is what I said in my first post - the biggest shame in all this is it gives license to the misogynists and apologists (like some on this thread) to say "see this is what women are like, poor innocent men and their ruined lives" when actually false accusations are so rare. That is fact, not just me speculating.

zippey · 03/09/2018 20:38

i don’t think it’s rare that women lie. They lie all the time. As do men of course. It’s human nature to lie and embellish. Look at the high profile case of a woman in Primark who lied that an Asian security guard stopped her breastfeeding by snatching her children.

www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/caroline-starmer-woman-who-lied-about-primark-security-guard-snatching-her-baby-to-stop-a6759216.html%3famp

GunpowderGelatine · 03/09/2018 20:39

zippey I don't think anyone said women never lie. They rarely lie about DV or sexual assaults and rapes though

GunpowderGelatine · 03/09/2018 20:40

And with respect one example doesn't prove anything. I'd exceed the 1,000 posts on this thread if I posted links to news stories about men lying

rainbowsandsmiles · 03/09/2018 20:40

Why do I have to care about the hypothetical mental health of a granger in a years time?

If you actually watched the programme and saw it all, it's called being a human being and having empathy for other humans.

Mrbatmun · 03/09/2018 20:40

zippey what a completely random and irrelevant example you have chosen there?!

DioneTheDiabolist · 03/09/2018 20:40

The details released by his accuser were such that everyone who knew them, knew that it couldn't have happened. In the end it was the press statement that finally exonerated him. People were apologetic and sympathetic, but it still ruined his life and that of his family.

worridmum · 03/09/2018 20:41

I have seen the damage false accusations do first hand and its absolutely devastating, very few normal people walk away from them unchanged (some celbraties do recover).

But normal people lives often don't got fired from a job because your face made the local newspaper about being a rapist = company can fire you legally you have no come back (bullshit about bring company into disrepute term and condition which is in basically every employment contract).

If you are a teacher, carer, doctor or nurse being accused means you can no longer EVER work in these fields again.

The is no extra funding for people to go back to university if they are not allowed to contine to work in the field as in a accussation will always stay on file no matter what.

So say you worked as a teacther or doctor for 10+ years you worked for the minium of 6 years to qualify for said job and now you are effectively barred from that career path forever and there is NO funding for people that have already gone to university so they are stuck.

But hey losing your job / career/ job prospects, and thus your home and if it is a sexual offence you can lose YEARS with your children that you cannot get back, if you are found NOT GUILTY its tough shit your punished anyway.

AS YOU HAVE LOST YOUR JOB, YOUR HOME AND YOUR REPUTATION, how do you come back from that?

I am not even talking about the massive mental health strain and that is devastating in its own right i have seen it break a royal commando veteran and mentally they are some of the toughest people (They need for this type of job but if it breaks someone like that what does averge joe bloggs chance of coping with it?).

rainbowsandsmiles · 03/09/2018 20:45

Yeah, I'm all about the man Hmm

That's just it - you're not comprehending, are you? I never said you were all about the man. Completely the opposite!
You seem to be making it all a big fight men v women. We're all PEOPLE.
Women do things wrong too. Like in this case.

zippey · 03/09/2018 20:53

Gunpowder - if men and women lie a lot, it stands to reason they will lie about serious stuff like assault. I don’t think it’s as rare as you think.

GunpowderGelatine · 03/09/2018 20:54

If you are a teacher, carer, doctor or nurse being accused means you can no longer EVER work in these fields again

Oh look, the resident MN rape apologist. This statement is completely false BTW, so the rest of your post doesn't really stand.

rainbow it's hard to see it being all about people when it's men committing the vast majority of violent crime. No one said women didn't do bad things. I think you're reading things now that I'm just not saying

GunpowderGelatine · 03/09/2018 20:59

zippey it's very rare. For every woman falsely accusing men of DV, over 18,000 men are actually assaulting women. For every woman falsely accusing a man of rape, 161 men have actually raped women. And that's just convictions.

rainbowsandsmiles · 03/09/2018 20:59

Oh look, the resident MN rape apologist

You're just being a goady twat now.

rainbow it's hard to see it being all about people when it's men committing the vast majority of violent crime.
Nobody is disputing the vast majority is men doing violent crime, but that has got absolutely fuck all to do with this scenario. The woman was doing the abusing this time.
So because the vast majority of crimes are by men, it's hard to see them as people too? That's how it sounds.If that's not what you meant, what actually is it that makes you not able to see it's about people?

BoneyBackJefferson · 03/09/2018 21:02

GunpowderGelatine

How does saying

"If you are a teacher, carer, doctor or nurse being accused means you can no longer EVER work in these fields again"

make someone a rape apologist?

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