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CBB 'punch' incident. Views?

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YeOldeFishWife · 01/09/2018 11:09

Not sure about this as it is highly irritating to have someone jumping around you pretend to 'box' and he could have poked her by accident. She was in a car accident recently and could be tender there. Some could say she had a right to complain even though he was obviously not deliberately trying to hurt her.

The asking for him to be removed from the house (if she did that) and claims that he'd 'beaten her up' were a complete overreaction of though.

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bringbacksideburns · 03/09/2018 18:11

It is possible to be outraged at both false accusations and the fact that victims of sexual assault and DV often don't get justice.

Apparently not according to someone on this thread who appears to have their own agenda.

Shatner- you don't need to explain yourself to a confrontational person looking to pick a fight.

Men's lives can't be ruined apparently. Bullshit.

MarthasGinYard · 03/09/2018 18:32

'I don't believe for a minute false accusations ruin people'

Are you for real

MarthasGinYard · 03/09/2018 18:34

'Jay Cheshire, 17, accused of rape. Voluntarily interviewed by the Police, several weeks of investigations. Police found no evidence and the girl then withdrew her statement. Jay killed himself soon afterwards. It's believe he suffered abuse from people who knew him.

His mother killed herself a year later as she never got over it.'

You should read this case

I remember it well

Stuff nightmares are made of

rainbowsandsmiles · 03/09/2018 18:49

Men's lives can't be ruined apparently. Bullshit.

They're teflon coated, didn't you know? (according to the other poster.) So they won't be ruined, will they as nothing sticks, and they'll boing back up Zebedee style or something. Hmm
Sorry but the other poster's attitude makes me sick, they're PEOPLE, ffs. Angry

TomHardyswife · 03/09/2018 19:04

Emma Willis is interviewing her later on CBB tonight.

Going off Emma's interviewing style, I can't imagine that she will be tough with her.

Where's Piers Morgan when you need him!

MyCatIsBonkers · 03/09/2018 19:06

I just watch the interview. When they were talking about the impact false accusations have on people she said, straight faced, that she knew a few people who'd been falsely accused. I was thinking, with your track record I bet you do.

DioneTheDiabolist · 03/09/2018 19:09

I know a man who was accused of historical child abuse. He was told that he had been accused and SS were informed. He had to leave the family home. Because it was "historical" it was not a priority. It was over a year before he was arrested, questioned and the files given to CPP who decided not to take the case. This was successfully challenged and eventually the case went to court 4 years later.

4 years that he couldn't live at home and was only allowed supervised visits with his children. His daughters had to change school. His mother had the windows of her house broken. He suffered 2 TIAs and a heart attack.

It ruined his life and that of his family because false accusations ruin lives!

rainbowsandsmiles · 03/09/2018 19:10

Where's Piers Morgan when you need him!

Now that's who you need interviewing her. Don't think she'd have the guts to go and do an interview with him though!

PerkingFaintly · 03/09/2018 19:10

StarWarsHolidaySpecial Flowers for blowing the whistle on him.

GunpowderGelatine · 03/09/2018 19:36

Dione I take it the accuser was convicted of perverting the course of justice? And bearing in mind the vast majority of historical offences are true, what would you have instead? Peadophiles living with children? How would you play it?

GunpowderGelatine · 03/09/2018 19:39

Contradiction there. You are basically saying that Ryan's MH isn't important.

Confused

Please explain how it was a contradiction?

I think people who 'know someone who was falsely accused' need to remember that, unless the accuser is Finn jets of perverting the course of justice, they haven't falsely accused - because your stance is innocent until proven guilty, no?

Also remember how rare false accusations are. It's very coincidental that so many people who know the very few people who've been falsely accused are all on this thread 🧐

GunpowderGelatine · 03/09/2018 19:40

Forget men/women, it's just people

That's all well and good, except 96% of violent crime is committed by men, so it's not really 'people' in that sense

rainbowsandsmiles · 03/09/2018 19:43

That's all well and good, except 96% of violent crime is committed by men, so it's not really 'people' in that sense

Are you even reading what people are saying? They're saying men are people too.
Nobody's disputing that violent crime is usually committed by men, but what the actual fuck has that got to do with the fact that in this situation, it is Ryan that is the victim, NOT Roxy?

rainbowsandsmiles · 03/09/2018 19:44

Please explain how it was a contradiction?

Oh come off it. Are you serious? You're not reading a word,are you?

GunpowderGelatine · 03/09/2018 19:47

rainbow that question wasn't for you as you didn't say it.

It's nothing to do with Ryan and Rocky, but the conversation that has since moved on and the bizarre claims, including being accused of rape is as bad as being raped Hmm

GunpowderGelatine · 03/09/2018 19:49

*Roxy

DioneTheDiabolist · 03/09/2018 19:56

No, his accuser withdrew his accusations as they were going to court in order to pursue a civil/private(?) prosecution which never happened. Although he did make some statements to the press urging other victims to come forward (this was when everyone who knew them realised the accuser was lying). None did. He was not charged with perverting anything. That is not uncommon.

I have no problem with how the authorities acted. An accusation had been made and child safeguarding procedures were followed to the letter.

The false accusation still ruined their lives.

TwistedStitch · 03/09/2018 20:01

I withdrew my support for the prosecution of the men who raped me, because I couldn't cope with testifying. I also couldn't cope with the likelihood of them getting found not guilty and acting like they were the victims. That doesn't mean that I wasn't raped or that I made a false accusation.

Entirely on Ryan's side btw and disgusted with Roxanne, but the idea that if someone withdraws a complaint they must be lying is completely wrong and very damaging to victims.

rainbowsandsmiles · 03/09/2018 20:01

rainbow that question wasn't for you as you didn't say it.

Oh, so sorry, didn't realise we weren't allowed to comment unless it was directly aimed at us. Confused Hmm

rainbowsandsmiles · 03/09/2018 20:09

Contradiction there. You are basically saying that Ryan's MH isn't important.

you

Please explain how it was a contradiction?

Me - are you serious? As in you have through the thread said that men are teflon coated, false accusations don't ruin lives, they'll be fine and also I'm not going to get outraged about false accusers when they are so very few and far between, just because a soap star cried in the diary room on CBB*
Extremely dismissive of mental health, and very contradictory to what you said.

DioneTheDiabolist · 03/09/2018 20:15

I completely understand why you and other victims withdraw complaints TwistedStitch.Flowers

There were a lot more things that happened in the case that I am referring to that I have not included. But the accuser was lying.

GunpowderGelatine · 03/09/2018 20:18

As in you have through the thread said that men are teflon coated, false accusations don't ruin lives

And I stand by that. That doesn't mean Ryan's MH isn't important but this will certainly not ruin his life.

I don't think Ryan has done anything wrong but I'm not outraged about it or baying for blood for Roxanne. DH is from the same city as her and the comments online from his friends and their Spotted type pages wishing her dead is a massive overreaction IMO.

No, his accuser withdrew his accusations as they were going to court in order to pursue a civil/private(?) prosecution which never happened

You do realise this doesn't make it a false accusation? I'd be very distant if a friend was investigated for 4 years for historical sexual offences to this point they couldn't live with their children. Im also amazed that any newspaper worth their salt would publish a statement from a man charged with sexual offences. I've worked for local newspapers and there's not a chance this would have happened, we certainly weren't in the habit of giving interviews with either the accused or accuser (the former we wouldn't have anyway as they have legal right to lifelong anonymity in sexual offence cases, unless they waive it)

I think it mustn't be easy to have a loved one accused of horrific crimes but the clutching at straws to assume their innocence in the face of facts is quite depressing.

RussetGusset · 03/09/2018 20:19

Roxanne dated my sister's boyfriend when they were still together. They were pictured holding hands and leaving a hotel together. She was acquainted with my sister and knew they were together. Of course they were as bad as each other. When she got bored of him he tried very hard to get my sister back. Every time he messaged she would just reply with a picture of him and Roxanne. Grin

GunpowderGelatine · 03/09/2018 20:20

But the accuser was lying

So not innocent until proven guilty in her case then?

rainbowsandsmiles · 03/09/2018 20:24

but this will certainly not ruin his life

Sorry, but you are talking absolute shit. There's no way you or anyone else can know whether somebody else will be affected by false accusations apart from the person themself.