CBB 'punch' incident. Views?

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Not sure about this as it is highly irritating to have someone jumping around you pretend to 'box' and he could have poked her by accident. She was in a car accident recently and could be tender there. Some could say she had a right to complain even though he was obviously not deliberately trying to hurt her.

The asking for him to be removed from the house (if she did that) and claims that he'd 'beaten her up' were a complete overreaction of though.

Reputation isn't everything. His own mental health and well-being was clearly suffering. I imagine on the most part the crying was from sheer frustration. He probably hadn't even considered his reputation or career at that point, he was upset and confused, bewildered even, as to why someone would do such a thing, why would they make up such awful lies.

Being accused of doing/saying something that you haven't done/said can stay with you for years, especially the frustration of not being able to prove you hadn't done it. It's not just something you 'get over'.

No, I don't get worked up about false accusations. I don't have to get worked up about everything. And no I am not convinced that Ryan Thomas' life would be adversely affected. But if Shatner's friend got their false accuser sent down for (presumably) perverting the course of justice, that would go a long way in helping him rebuild his life.

But do not use the Jay Cheshire case as an example. The female victim is still alive and kicking and doesn't deserve to be called a false accuser - she wasn't, and saying that someone who withdraws their statement is, is perpetuating rape myths

Actually, the CPS got the accuser sent down, not my friend. Or do you not know how prosecutions work in this country?

See, you're talking shit now. Would you say to someone who was raped that seeing their rapist being sent down would go a long way to helping them rebuild their life? Seriously, take a look at yourself.

You've said it would go a long way to helping my friend rebuild his life. That suggests to me you're accepting that a man's life can be ruined by a false allegation after all. Well done.

Considering I studied Law at Uni Shatner yes I do know what I'm talking about. In what way is your friends life ruined may I ask? Not being facetious, genuinely want to know.

And no I wouldn't say that to a rape victim. But being the victim of rape is very different from being the victim of someone who has perverted the course of justice

And no I am not convinced that Ryan Thomas' life would be adversely affected

What about his mental health?

I've already answered that rainbow. I don't know what else you expect me to say? Do you care this much about DV victims?

Do you care this much about DV victims?

Of course I do, what a ridiculous comment. It is possible to have empathy for BOTH male and female victims, you know.
With your menz and wimmin comment I don't expect you to understand that though.

Jason Gardner on that clip could see right through her.

I can't stand roxy and I think she was out of order BUT one thing that bugs me is that people are making a much bigger fuss about her lying than they would if he had actually hit her. People seem to stick up for men more.

I can't stand roxy and I think she was out of order BUT one thing that bugs me is that people are making a much bigger fuss about her lying than they would if he had actually hit her.

It's not about the lying, it's the fact she was out to bring down another person - if there was no video footage, would she still have been at it, turning people against him and saying he punched her repeatedly?

That irrelevant cause there is footage and there's no way she thought there wouldn't be.

That's actually one thing I can't get my head around, why did she think she would get away with it, she must be stupid or she genuinely felt intimidated and is just a drama queen.

Denise Welch on Loose Women has it spot on

It's highlighting narcissism in all its glory.

Forget men/women, it's just people.

Luckily they are so far up their own backsides, something like cameras wouldn't figure in their head.

Trust me. I have recorded an argument with a narcissist that got pretty violent, and they still managed to turn it around on me.

Think about OJ Simpson as well. He was shown a photograph of him wearing the shoes that he said he didn't wear. Even with photographic evidence he still denied it!!

These people have no boundaries, and I for one, am glad she went on the show. I am sorry for any damage she has caused to real victims (and to Ryan), but I am glad this personality disorder is gaining more attention.

Loved Denise!

I was in a similar situation. Someone with high standing in their profession with clear but undiagnosed NPD who had got away with so much stuff over years that they literally thought they were untouchable.

I was given information about something very serious they had done. Everyone advised me to just leave it, they were untouchable and I'd be the only one damaged. He himself said I wouldn't be believed and he'd end my career.

Which I genuinely thought it would but as I felt people were at risk, my personal ethics said I had to do the right thing rather than cover it up. So I blew the whistle.

And once they started looking, more and more came to light and more people had the confidence to speak up.

He lost his career and is in prison now which I didn't anticipate happening but his existence was a house of cards and when you started to look, it all came down.

There will be so many people she has damaged over the years. More will come out.

Forget men/women, it's just people

Exactly!

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Love Perez this is funny

I agreed with every single word Denise said & nothing Roxanne can say excuses her in any way

She didn't misinterpret his intention or exaggerate...she LIED repeatedly & tried to bring him down. Vile woman!

Even in the interview and apology she just couldn't help herself little signs of defensiveness coming out mixed with the scripted 'I got it wrong'.

I take it BB didn't show the housemates the footage but did respond to people's call for them knowing what happened by calling Dan into diary room and planting that seed of "do you think he'd be here if he assaulted someone?" (Paraphrased)

What happened on LW last week?
Damn working and missing all the good daytime tv! And the link to JV above won't play either. I'm gonna have to try the five app on my iPad.

everyone's mental health is important but I'm not going to get outraged about false accusers when they are so very few and far between

Contradiction there. You are basically saying that Ryan's MH isn't important.

She made very serious, false accusations, but because its rare that it happens, you're fine with it. This also isn't allegedly the first false accusations she has made.

Bloody BRILLIANTLY said by Denise Welch there.

I don't believe for a minute false accusations ruin people

I've seen man talk of being falsely accused of sexual assault and no evidence being found. Just them being arrested for a chat is enough to get some to always be unsure. Even if it's proven to be wrong.

Someone I know was accused of raping** 14yo relative. He was arrested. He was cleared as he had an alibi that he was over 100 miles away at the time. Cctv and card statements for petrol proved this.

He is a shadow of the man he was and many people took the teens side and still kept saying things like "maybe she got the wrong day" "maybe it went of ages and she just gave that date as couldn't remember"
There were no signs she'd ever had sexual intercourse let alone rape.

He nearly lost his own wife and children.

I'm not suggesting for one minute that people shouldn't believe an accusation. But please don't think that being cleared afterwards is the end of it.