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University of Milton North - bring a bottle & some Twiglets!

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MrsLucasNorthPole · 21/12/2010 22:08

Ta da!

a nice fluffy pic for the common room

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MrsLucasNorthPole · 28/12/2010 00:08

ROFL Xmas Grin

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Theresahollyinyourmind · 28/12/2010 00:09

Or it might be the latest variety of Columbian marching powder...

Though come to think of it, the Bisto would have more of a kick.

asmallbunchofmistletoe · 28/12/2010 00:17

I must go to bed soon, but have we reviewed any of our key resources today?

"I object to violence because when it appears to do good, the good is only temporary; the evil it does is permanent" Mohandas Gandhi.

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Theresahollyinyourmind · 28/12/2010 00:26

This is so well put together! Tee hee Especially poor old Lucy Brown.!

Poor Guy, he is, I fear, his own worst enemy. But he does have another side, honest, guv.

I am shocked anew that I find all this violence he does... compelling. Disgusting I know, but I am just being honest here and trying to understand it.

asmallbunchofmistletoe · 28/12/2010 00:33

It's a very good match between image and lyrics, isn't it? With the bonus of some glove action. I know that you are intrigued by Guy's weaponry and his use thereof, which is why I included the Gandhi quote.

Sweet dreams!

Theresahollyinyourmind · 28/12/2010 00:33

Have we seen ? Nice visuals, but not sure about the song. A bit strong? What do you think?

Theresahollyinyourmind · 28/12/2010 00:35

Sweet dreams to you too, in the secure knowledge that the N&S good kicking scene was an abedrration on the part of the

Theresahollyinyourmind · 28/12/2010 00:36

aberration on the part of the BBC. My computer is having a fit here. sigh.

asmallbunchofmistletoe · 28/12/2010 00:44

Like dear, dear Oscar I can resist anything except the temptation to view another important academic resource. The visuals are, I agree, exquisite, but the song is (in my view) a dirge and not particularly apt as it seems to be about a man who's been dumped in favour of someone new.

But, frankly, who cares about the music?

asmallbunchofmistletoe · 28/12/2010 00:46

One of these days I am going to have to reread N&S to reassure myself that the kicking scene was an invention of the BBC. Oh, the things I do for Art.

Nighty night.

PassTheTwiglets · 28/12/2010 07:26

Morning. Missy, I am reading N&S at the moment so I will let you now. I got it on Xmas Day and am a whole 2 pages in :) I was a bit naughty last night and flicked through to the end to rea the original version of the last 'kiss at the train station' scene... BUT IT WAS COMPLETELY NOT THERE, CHARLIE!!! Shock

That Mack The Knife vid is one of the most important pieces of research we have ever done here, I feel. LOLing at the Lucy Brown visuals, I hadn't noticed that before you mentioned it, Holls!

giggle just seen that DH's Facebook status from yesterday says "managed to avoid a 4 hour North & South marathon yesterday" :)

PassTheTwiglets · 28/12/2010 07:27

I wish MN and Twitter would co-ordinate their empahsis thingies - surrounding asterisks on Twitter denote an action but here it puts the word in bold.

Theresahollyinyourmind · 28/12/2010 10:56

Morning, all. Coffee? Doughnuts? Providing Lucas hasn't scoffed them all, that is. Perhaps we have Eccles cakes, too. Do you realise, yesterday we had our first live broadcast from Milton?

My turn to LOL at your DH's Facebook status, Twiggy. He could do well to take a look at what fascinates us ladies so much, it might work in his favour.

Did you find out about the violent Mr Thornton scene yet? I am sure it wasn't there when I took a look at the book on-line. I must get a copy from Amazon some time but there are just so many things I want from there that I don't know when that would be.

Re Lucy Brown. Ladies, you can totally rely on yours truly to notice anyone, anyone who's checking my lord of Gisbourne out.

MrsLucasNorthPole · 28/12/2010 11:42

I will have to catch up with all these clips when I have and empty house (God knows when that will be) or a very late night (ditto - since his Lordship is glued to the sofa from 11pm every night watching the Ashes at the moment).

In the meantime have spent the morning pakcaging up and printing returns bumf for both copies of BtS. Am going for a refund this time...

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SnowyMoon · 28/12/2010 11:53

Morning all, am in my carriage returning from Milton as we speak, the luggage compartment is filled with Eccles cakes, tea and cotton.

Unfortunately I have been unable to watch any clips as they seem to not have wi fi north of Birmingham. I will have to catch up tomorrow.

In the meantime I have sent some Buns ahead for your tea.

PassTheTwiglets · 28/12/2010 11:56

Holly, no I haven't had a chance to read any more N&S yet, to find out about the beating. I was too shocked about the station scene being a BBC concoction! I had a bath earlier and was going to read N&S but my lovely new Nigella book won instead.

MrsLucasNorthPole · 28/12/2010 12:22

I checked the end of N & S out last time I was in the library and was also gobsmacked! I think the train scene was quite a nice way of bringing it all together though, if they had to shorten it.

Have a safe journey Snowy!

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Theresahollyinyourmind · 28/12/2010 12:44

The train scene was a stroke of genius. The book ending is extremely thud-worthy, but for visuals you can't beat the BBC version. Even the lighting is swoon-tastic.

Twiggy, how are the invalids today?

Thanks for the buns, Snowy. Safe journey indeed and looking forward to seeing you in the common room soon.

I am having an easy day today, so I feel very guilty when I hear of others having a more fraught time.

asmallbunchofmistletoe · 28/12/2010 13:59

Good afternoon, ladies.

The reason I have so often posted the ending of Mrs Gaskell's N&S is to illustrate the difference between the two versions. I agree that the telly version ends very nicely - You're coming home with me? - with the prospect of hours of canoodling on the train back to Milton, but it's a shame, I feel, that Mr Thornton does not get a speech as powerful as the one in which he claims her in a strange presumptuous way. I really enjoyed the visuals in the Gaskell version!

asmallbunchofmistletoe · 28/12/2010 14:03

Less is more. But sometimes more of more is even better.

No one ever knew why Mr. Lennox did not keep to his appointment on the following day. Mr. Thornton came true to his time; and, after keeping him waiting for nearly an hour, Margaret came in looking very white and anxious.

She began hurriedly:

'I am so sorry Mr. Lennox is not here,he could have done it so much better than I can. He is my adviser in this'--

'I am sorry that I came, if it troubles you. Shall I go to Mr. Lennox's chambers and try and find him?'

'No, thank you. I wanted to tell you, how grieved I was to find that I am to lose you as a tenant. But, Mr. Lennox says, things are sure to brighten'----

'Mr. Lennox knows little about it,' said Mr. Thornton quietly. 'Happy and fortunate in all a man cares for, he does not nderstand what it is to find oneself no longer youngyet thrown back to the starting-point which requires the hopeful energy of youthto feel one half of life gone, and nothing done?nothing remaining of wasted opportunity, but the bitter recollection that it has been. Miss Hale, I would rather not hear Mr. Lennox's opinion of my affairs. Those who are happy and successful themselves are too apt to make light of the misfortunes of others.'

'You are unjust,' said Margaret, gently. 'Mr. Lennox has only spoken of the great probability which he believes there to be of your redeemingyour more than redeeming what you have lostdon't speak till I have ended--pray don't!' And collecting herself once more, she went on rapidly turning over some law papers, and statements of accounts in a trembling hurried manner.

'Oh! here it is! And he drew me out a proposal I wish he was here to explain itshowing that if you would take some money of mine, eighteen thousand and fifty-seven pounds, lying just at this moment unused in the bank, and bringing me in only two and a half per cent. you could pay me much better interest, and might go on working Marlborough Mills.' Her voice had cleared itself and become more steady. Mr. Thornton did not speak, and she went on looking for some paper on which were written down the proposals for security; for she was most anxious to have it all looked upon in the light of a mere business arrangement, in which the principal advantage would be on her side. While she sought for this paper, her very heart-pulse was arrested by the tone in which Mr. Thornton spoke. His voice was hoarse, and trembling with tender passion, as he said: --

'Margaret!'

For an instant she looked up; and then sought to veil her luminous eyes by dropping her forehead on her hands. Again, stepping nearer, he besought her with another tremulous eager call upon her name.

'Margaret!'

Still lower went the head; more closely hidden was the face, almost resting on the table before her. He came close to her. He knelt by her side, to bring his face to a level with her ear; and whispered-panted out the words:--

'Take care.If you do not speakI shall claim you as my own in some strange presumptuous way.Send me away at once, if I must go; Margaret! --'

At that third call she turned her face, still covered with her small white hands, towards him, and laid it on his shoulder, hiding it even there; and it was too delicious to feel her soft cheek against his, for him to wish to see either deep blushes or loving eyes. He clasped her close. But they both kept silence. At length she murmured in a broken voice:

'Oh, Mr. Thornton, I am not good enough!'

'Not good enough! Don't mock my own deep feeling of unworthiness.'

After a minute or two, he gently disengaged her hands from her face, and laid her arms as they had once before been placed to protect him from the rioters.

'Do you remember, love?' he murmured. 'And how I requited you with my insolence the next day?'

'I remember how wrongly I spoke to you,--that is all.'

'Look here! Lift up your head. I have something to show you!' She slowly faced him, glowing with beautiful shame.

'Do you know these roses?' he said, drawing out his pocket-book, in which were treasured up some dead flowers.

'No!' she replied, with innocent curiosity. 'Did I give them to you?'

'No! Vanity; you did not. You may have worn sister roses very probably.'

She looked at them, wondering for a minute, then she smiled a little as she said?

'They are from Helstone, are they not? I know the deep indentations round the leaves. Oh! have you been there? When were you there?'

'I wanted to see the place where Margaret grew to what she is, even at the worst time of all, when I had no hope of ever calling her mine. I went there on my return from Havre.'

'You must give them to me,' she said, trying to take them out of his hand with gentle violence.

'Very well. Only you must pay me for them!'

'How shall I ever tell Aunt Shaw?' she whispered, after some time of delicious silence.

'Let me speak to her.'

'Oh, no! I owe to her,--but what will she say?

'I can guess. Her first exclamation will be, "That man!"'

'Hush!' said Margaret, 'or I shall try and show you your mother's indignant tones as she says, "That woman!"'

Theresahollyinyourmind · 28/12/2010 14:19

But would all that delicious dialogue work on screen, I wonder, Missy? It might, but telly is such a visual medium, and many viewers, unlike us, of course, have shortish attention spans. Now a radio play would be a different matter. Broadcast that on Radio 4 on a Sunday afternoon and no food would be got by any person in England afterwards, as the females of the nation lay swooning in heaps of goo on their parlour floors.

Conditional, of course, on the part of Mr Thornton being read by an Actor of considerable vocal ability, and not unknown to us at the Academy.

asmallbunchofmistletoe · 28/12/2010 14:26

No, I'm not sure that it would. I can quite see why the screenwriters prefer their less speech and more snogging version, but still feel it's a shame that more of Mrs Gaskell's deathless prose didn't make it onto the screen. And, for me, the text version will always be better, in a the pictures are better on radio kind of way.

As you say, a radio play would be rather thrilling if cast correctly sensitively. After all, .

Theresahollyinyourmind · 28/12/2010 14:38

So that's MrH and the Berries getting their own teas today then.

I was thinking of what you said the other night about the effect of tone, timbre etc on the human brain and I remembered how various musical instruments, such as the organ or the cello, can make the hair stand up on the back of the neck, and shivers run down the spine.

I wonder what vestigial reflex causes it, and what it was originally designed to do.

asmallbunchofmistletoe · 28/12/2010 14:59

About the brain thing, I dunno. Probably (because evolutionary biology can find an explanation for anything) it's about being attuned to the noise made by predators outside the cave. Or it's about sex. Evolutionary biology is all about sex and death, as far as I can tell.

I have always loved the cello and still feel aggrieved that I can't play it, but never mind. If I can just teach myself to play the ukulele then I can join the Ukulele Orchestra of GB, meet The Man at a glamorous show biz party and invite him to join me in a duet so that we can make beautiful music together - something like Eine Kleine Nachtmusik arranged for ukulele and cello.

It's a good thing that MrHolly and the Juniorberries are learning self-sufficiency, no?

Theresahollyinyourmind · 28/12/2010 15:16

Sex and death makes sense, I guess, if the Selfish Gene wants to survive. But I am unclear about the segue from fear gooseflash, hairs standing on end to make you look bigger than you are if you still had fur, plus churning gut to lighten the load so you can run faster to the awe organ music inspires. Or maybe I am getting an inkling and wishing I weren't.

I can see I'm going to have to do some serious googling.

MrH and co are not enthusiastic students of do it yourself domesticity, it's largely a kicking and screaming thing, but I shall persevere now I have more important things to do than cater to their whims.

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