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I'm an Orthodox Jewish Woman, ask me anything.

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Jewishbookwork · 01/01/2024 13:53

On the thread @Israelilefty started, people were asking about Orthodox Judaism. So I am starting (another) one here. Other Orthodox Jewish women are welcome to answer too, so we have more of a range of answers.

I am Chabad Chasidic, we are very religious - I wear a wig, my husband wears black and white and we have lots of books in hebrew in our house.

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Parkingt111 · 02/01/2024 13:03

Hello and thank you for this thread.
After reading the above can I please ask

  1. What is shidduchim?
  1. What are the average fees for private Jewish schools in England? I can understand and definitely see the benefits of wanting to send your children to a faith based school and I think if I had the option I would also take it up for my DC. Is it also difficult to get into schools with waiting lists or does knowing or having certain connections help? And also is there help for parents who want to send their children to certain Jewish schools but can't afford the fees?
  1. Are Jewish home schooling families prevalent in the UK?
jewishorthomum · 02/01/2024 13:04

noblegiraffe · 02/01/2024 12:52

This all sounds mortifying, I have to say!

😆I can understand that. And at the beginning of marriage it really does feel too invasive. But with time it becomes part of life.
I'm married almost 10 years now and I'm appreciating the psychological benefits to Nidah and mikva more and more. Every 2 weeks, once my period begins we abstain from sex, and have a chance to connect and build our relationship in other ways. We chat more, go out together more, during Nidah. Once the 12 days are up, there is a renewed freshness to our marriage. Its like a mini-wedding night all every again. Every month.
I'm NGL, some commandments are incredibly hard to adhere to, some feel beautiful and are easier to understand, ultimately they are all there to make us better people/make the world a better place.

EllaDisenchanted · 02/01/2024 13:07

We definitely did not call the Rabbi after we had sex for the first time, and there was no expectation to either. You would only call if you had a specific question relating to nidda - he doesn't need to know the details of our sex life 😅 I've never heard the kitchen roll thing either. Bedika cloths are soft and hygienic, and obviously chucked after every use. Kitchen towel sounds very rough and uncomfortable.

EllaDisenchanted · 02/01/2024 13:09

that was to @istoodonlegoagain. @jewishorthomum we are x posting, so I will leave you to it ( i.e. stop bunking off my work, and get off mumsnet ... 😄)

Parkingt111 · 02/01/2024 13:10

Oh also another question please, are women exempt from any of the prayers or rulings when in nidda?
And what would one do if there was no mikvah nearby or accessible to use when the Niddah period was over? Thank you 😊

jewishorthomum · 02/01/2024 13:14

EllaDisenchanted · 02/01/2024 13:09

that was to @istoodonlegoagain. @jewishorthomum we are x posting, so I will leave you to it ( i.e. stop bunking off my work, and get off mumsnet ... 😄)

@EllaDisenchanted 👋 I'm enjoying reading your responses. As they say 2 Jews, 3 opinions. I'm logging off in a few minutes, so you might want to take another coffee break soon

noblegiraffe · 02/01/2024 13:14

jewishorthomum · 02/01/2024 12:38

The reason for the commandment against mixing milk and meat is from a verse in the Torah "You shall not cook a kid (goat) in its mother's milk" from here it is derived that we should not mix milk and meat. We have extra boundaries in place to ensure no contact between meat and milk happens, such as separate countertops, sinks etc.

Thank you. Who interpreted it to mean that you shouldn't mix milk and meat at all and why is that seen as the correct interpretation by Orthodox Jews as opposed to just a straightforward reading about cooking meat in milk?

jewishorthomum · 02/01/2024 13:21

Parkingt111 · 02/01/2024 13:10

Oh also another question please, are women exempt from any of the prayers or rulings when in nidda?
And what would one do if there was no mikvah nearby or accessible to use when the Niddah period was over? Thank you 😊

In Judaism women are exempt from time-based commandments. Prayer is a time based commandment so woman do not have to pray 3 times a day as men are. We still pray when we can, but the obligation to pray 3x daily is not applicable to us. There is no difference in Niddah. In general Niddah only has an effect on her marriage. (I think there is a custom for a woman not to visit a graveyard when she is a Niddah. I'm not sure the reasoning, but I can find out)
There is a mikva, or multiple, in every substantial Jewish community worldwide. Women not local to a mikva will travel to get to one.

orangedotts · 02/01/2024 13:26

So if a Jewish woman marries a non-Jew then her kids are still Jewish. However if a Jewish man marries a non-Jew his kids will not be Jewish

Hi OP, would the children not be considered ethnically Jewish on the basis they have Jewish DNA? My ancestry DNA results list Ashkenazi and Sephardic Jewish as options (though I've 0% of either).

Goldypants · 02/01/2024 13:28

Judging by what my cousin says, the genetic testing is not working

jewishorthomum · 02/01/2024 13:31

Parkingt111 · 02/01/2024 13:03

Hello and thank you for this thread.
After reading the above can I please ask

  1. What is shidduchim?
  1. What are the average fees for private Jewish schools in England? I can understand and definitely see the benefits of wanting to send your children to a faith based school and I think if I had the option I would also take it up for my DC. Is it also difficult to get into schools with waiting lists or does knowing or having certain connections help? And also is there help for parents who want to send their children to certain Jewish schools but can't afford the fees?
  1. Are Jewish home schooling families prevalent in the UK?

Shidduchim means the Jewish dating process. You would say "My daughter/son is in Shidduchim" meaning that they are open for dates, or in the dating process.

Private Jewish schools in my area cost around £400 - £600 monthly. I'm assuming this varies depending on area. Schools do their best to give deductions to those who need it and some wealthier families sponsor other kids. Usually parents choose the school that aligns with their level of religious observance. The acceptance process goes accordingly. Modern orthodox schools care less about the religious practices of the home and family. In ultra orthodox communities the school tries to understand the level of religious practice in the home before accepting kids.
Connections can help in those schools but most schools are objective and will take any child that conforms to their standard.

Home schooling is not prevalent, I don't know anyone home schooled.

orangedotts · 02/01/2024 13:32

But regardless, if a father was Jewish then his kids would have Jewish DNA, so mixed ethnicity but still Jewish?

jewishorthomum · 02/01/2024 13:37

orangedotts · 02/01/2024 13:32

But regardless, if a father was Jewish then his kids would have Jewish DNA, so mixed ethnicity but still Jewish?

Jewishness gets passed through the mother. So if man is Jewish but marries a non-Jewish girl, their kids will not be Jewish, regardless of their DNA. Some reform Jewish communities will accept those with a non-Jewish mother as Jewish, but the general rule is that a clear maternal lineage is required in order to be considered Jewish.

Parkingt111 · 02/01/2024 13:40

@jewishorthomum thank you

jewishorthomum · 02/01/2024 13:46

noblegiraffe · 02/01/2024 13:14

Thank you. Who interpreted it to mean that you shouldn't mix milk and meat at all and why is that seen as the correct interpretation by Orthodox Jews as opposed to just a straightforward reading about cooking meat in milk?

In Judaism there is the written law and the oral law. Both were given to Moses at Mount Sinai in biblical times. The written law is the Torah (bible). The oral law are all the guidelines and boundaries in place to help us to keep the Torah's commandments. This oral law was traditionally passed down from father to son, from teacher to student. Over time this oral law was written down and elaborated on by Rabbi's and scholars. Today we have libraries filled with hundreds of books dissecting the oral law and applying it to today's modern world.
So with our example of not mixing meat and milk. The oral law elaborates on the Torah command. The oral law states that a Jew cannot, mix, eat, cook, or benefit from combining milk and meat. Based on this we have guidelines to ensure this is adhered to.

istoodonlegoagain · 02/01/2024 13:54

Thanks to all for the replies. Frieda Vizel said they had to phone their rabbi on day 4 or something because they weren't sure if they'd even had sex or not. I know some communities are very insular, but it's flabbergasting to me that you don't know the mechanics of sex in your 20s. Is it not one of those innate things?
Also if you get invited to dinner do the hosts tell you 8f it will be milky/meaty in advance?

Jewishbookwork · 02/01/2024 14:16

istoodonlegoagain · 02/01/2024 13:54

Thanks to all for the replies. Frieda Vizel said they had to phone their rabbi on day 4 or something because they weren't sure if they'd even had sex or not. I know some communities are very insular, but it's flabbergasting to me that you don't know the mechanics of sex in your 20s. Is it not one of those innate things?
Also if you get invited to dinner do the hosts tell you 8f it will be milky/meaty in advance?

Most shabbat dinners (when orthodox people entertain most) are meat, but yes, lots of hosts might say if it is meat or milk.

I wait 6 hours after eating meat before eating dairy so if i was invited to a dairy dinner I would want to know to avoid meat. Although, I generally never eat meat during the day.

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Jewishbookwork · 02/01/2024 14:28

istoodonlegoagain · 02/01/2024 11:38

Thank you so much for the new thread OP and thanks a lot for the tag @jewishorthomum !

In my line of work I've had to assist/support/defend some ultra Orthodox women. It is very important for me, that in order for me to help as much as possible that I need to be familiar/understand their cultural norms. This has proven VERY difficult as IME the community has been extremely reluctant to engage. I've therefore had to rely on google stuff on the Internet and one orthodox women's online forum. My questions are:

  1. Re the ultra orthodox, there seems to be very high levels of poverty in UK but limitations on what can/not be done in terms of work due to wanting to work within the community and not being allowed to go to secular colleges etc to get qualifications. From what I saw/heard, so many are completely reliant on benefits. Is this not a worry for the future generations? You can't get UC for more than 2 dc now, so if everyone still wants large families how will that work?

  2. The forum I lurk on seems US based, but everyone seems to have at least 1 dc with ADHD. This seems much higher than 'normal' and I'm wondering what is going on? Are they actually diagnosed by a Dr or do parents just think this because their dc isn't very interested in "learning?".

  3. Again from same forum they say eating disorders are very common among orthodox women. Why is this? There seems to be a real pressure to be a size 0 to get a shidduch? Is this the same in UK?

  4. For those that cover all the time at home, do you even sleep with your hair covered?

  5. Possibly TMI - but on Frieda Vizel's channel she shared a recording of a rabbi telling a groom what to do on the wedding night. It was very similar to Esty's experience on Unorthodox - ie very "here is my organ, put it inside you" and no looking at each other unclothed. Then he had to jump off her if/when he ejaculated as she was now niddah. Is this typical? No judgement, just wondering.

  6. It seems some of the N London communities have complete ownership over the congregation, ie having to hand in your phone to check what you've been doing on it to get a school place and other very intrusive things. Does anyone not just think to hell with this, I can't be bothered? How concerning is the fear of being shunned?

  1. Funny, when I joined mumsnet it seemed every other person has a child with ASD or ADHD. Maybe parents with neurodiverse kids are more likely to join online forums.
3.I don't know a lot of people with eating disorders, I certainly don't have one, but I have no idea if it is more prevalent or not. 4.Some women sleep with their hari covered, especially when nidda, others don't. (mine always falls of either way lol) 5.In some hasidic circles men and women are very young and very sheltered when they get married. So they really need to be explained the facts of life, and it seems some couples struggle to consummate or know if they have consummated. I (and my husband) are not so sheltered so it wasn't a huge issue for us. It was really really difficult being nidda right away - fortunately i got my period a couple of days later and we also have 7 days of parties after the wedding but I did not have a negative wedding night experience. From what i understand a lot of orthodox couples lately seem to not rush into consummating the marriage straight away on the first night, but spend a few nights getting into it. 6.I don't send my kids to that type of school but if it was a school that didn't align with my values I would probably think about moving them. My kids school now has rules about the students internet usage, (which I agree with) not the parents. Obviously sometimes parents might not agree about this.
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Jewishbookwork · 02/01/2024 14:32

jewishorthomum · 02/01/2024 13:21

In Judaism women are exempt from time-based commandments. Prayer is a time based commandment so woman do not have to pray 3 times a day as men are. We still pray when we can, but the obligation to pray 3x daily is not applicable to us. There is no difference in Niddah. In general Niddah only has an effect on her marriage. (I think there is a custom for a woman not to visit a graveyard when she is a Niddah. I'm not sure the reasoning, but I can find out)
There is a mikva, or multiple, in every substantial Jewish community worldwide. Women not local to a mikva will travel to get to one.

Women either travel to a mikva or in some cases they might use the sea or a natural body of water.

Building a mikva takes priority over building a shul.

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Parkingt111 · 02/01/2024 14:43

During covid were there restrictions on the usage of Mikvas in the UK? And if yes how was this overcome?

valorie · 02/01/2024 14:47

It might be useful to point out that the mikveh is not only for women.

Men will go to a mikveh too, under different circumstances.

istoodonlegoagain · 02/01/2024 14:49

There was a program on channel 4 from years ago about orthodox jewish families from Manchester (one of them was Chabad OP). What I found odd was they all said they felt the need to protect their dc from outside influences, but they all had non Jewish nannies to deal with the dc. Why is that? Is having a Jewish one too close to home?

IJustGottaKnow · 02/01/2024 14:51

Do you consider secular Jews who marry out real Jews? DH is one.

Can you recommend any books or programmes about the social rather than religious aspects of Orthodox Judaism (I get they're somewhat bound together). I find it all so interesting!

jewishorthomum · 02/01/2024 14:51

Parkingt111 · 02/01/2024 14:43

During covid were there restrictions on the usage of Mikvas in the UK? And if yes how was this overcome?

During Covid the mikva was extremely careful to sanitise the preparation rooms between each user. Extra chlorine was used and of course social distancing was enforced. Stressful times

jewishorthomum · 02/01/2024 14:53

IJustGottaKnow · 02/01/2024 14:51

Do you consider secular Jews who marry out real Jews? DH is one.

Can you recommend any books or programmes about the social rather than religious aspects of Orthodox Judaism (I get they're somewhat bound together). I find it all so interesting!

Your husband is considered a "real Jew" but your kids wouldn't be Jewish.

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