Extinction rebellion protester, ask me anything

[Market1]

I support extinction rebellion protests, ask me anything you like - ( I have a very thick skin, nothing you say will upset me)

Why not, if the shoe fits, why settle for a little planet when humans can take the galaxies

Hawkins009

Well we should all look after the planet. It’s where we all live?

I really do think you are clutching at straws here so you can stay in your box. I mean you can be angry at the protests, you can be happy with what you see outside but it’s going to affect you too at some point in some way that you are not going to like. And your Government doesn’t care about you enough to make the difficult decisions to protect you. So what are you going to do? Just sit back, tut, roll your eyes and sigh?

Well, right now I’m comparing @Market1‘s snarky response to @loislovesstewie, who’s told us she needs a car because of her disabled adult child, to her refusal to judge a founder member of XR. There are double standards here.

Pretty much yes, I don't think overall the government will abandon the public overall,
Those in power know the score, those in industry know the score.

Waving a few banners and getting arrested, for what exactly ?

Even your own protest groups leaders and management don't exactly try to set the best examples yet somehow they expect the average members to be the ones protesting etc.

Overall it could be strongly debated that it will be big tech will save the earth and Not some pockets of resistance waving banners, blocking roads, etc

Hawkins009 · Today 22:15
Has anyone considered by the time humans run the planet into a mad max style utopia, humans won't need earth especially if we are conquering the galaxies and building new earth's.

Phew. Hadn’t thought of that. Of course. All will be fine. Well done.

Hawkins009Pretty much yes, I don't think overall the government will abandon the public overall,
Those in power know the score, those in industry know the score.

I think you are doing a very good job of playing stupid. I’m not sure what you are trying to achieve but you have made me laugh either way. The Government, of course, are well known for their integrity. I mean none of them lie, fiddle their expenses, make decisions that benefit them and their cronies, make decisions based on votes rather than what’s right, ignore experts, make laws but break them at the same time. Nah. They’ll do right by us for sure. Total faith in them.

You only have to look at Rishi’s sudden support of the motorist after the ULEZ issue helped the tories scrape a by-election to see how much the government is committed to tackling climate change.

Not all in government can be labelled as you put it, if the words were reversed and the whole general public was called x,y,z people would say not all of us are x,y,z etc so why do some of the public seem to do the same to the government. ?

Yes I am stupid and daft, and strange and odd, so what I wear that badge with pride, as I know I'm daft etc I can then know what I need to learn more about.

That I don't know anything of the issues surrounding it, only that the public are not impressed, yet the same public that want to be more enviromentally friendly.

May I clarify something? Sorry to drag this out.I'm,surprisingly enough in favour of cleaning up the planet, but there are things I find unacceptable in all this.Bear with me please.
Firstly , people who are stuck in traffic jams don't logically think ' oh it's OK, whatever disaster befalls me today because I'm stuck, is for the greater good', what they think is that they have an urgent need NOW, or will be late for work and get a bollocking, or are trying to get home after a night shift etc. If you think about the ludicrous things people confess to under torture that might give some insight. People confess to flying to witches sabbaths on broomsticks, for crying out loud, they don't think that confession will result in their death, they want the torture to stop. NOW. People stressed because they can't carry on with their, entirely lawful journey, just want to be able to do that. The future doesn't exist.
Secondly, people do need to practice what they preach. Otherwise it's hypocrisy, double standards, virtue signally, whatever else you might call it. Above all, it's self defeating.No one , will listen to those who do that. I drive less that 1000 miles a year, I haven't had a holiday for some time due to circumstances.Yet people criticize me for having a car.At least be honest about what you do, hold your hands up.
Next, accept that we can't all live as you would like. We don't have a 'one size fits all' society. That reminds me of certain totalitarian regimes. The little people there , suffer while those at the top live in luxury, and I see that in what the protesters do. I can't drive my 1000 miles per annum, but they still travel by air to exotic places.
Can I have a heat pump in my home? No, it's s Victorian terrace , it wouldn't work and I can't afford it. Neither can I afford an electric car. Instead of the 1size fits all approach, come up with things we can do, try to provide alternatives for us , those who can't pay thousands for such things.
And get your head out of your bum, get off your high horse, stop the stupid protests which are self defeating, you have brains, you aren't in a cult[!]. Or are you?

Sorry for the rant.

Lois with respect the point that is being made is that climate change and climate breakdown cannot be averted by humans all individually and spontaneously changing their behaviour. Your example of the heat pump being impractical and the car journey being necessary now are very much to the point.

We can only avert total calamity by working together, with a plan based on science and agreed by the majority of work governments.

It’s a waste of time pointing fingers at each other as individual private citizens… we live the way we do because that is how society is constructed and very few people are able to make the changes needed ti live in a truly sustainable way.

If everyone goes by codenames, and nothing is really coordinated, it's all just small groups of people "acting under a flag", how can you be so sure that all this inside info from powerful bankers is reliable?

And who actually is the "ER" who will offer legal support to those random people acting under the flag? Who coordinates finances? Presumably not random people dipping in and out with a flag.....?

Then @Darker, you tell me what I should do when I have , I mean HAVE to get my child to hospital in the next 30minutes , when idiots are blocking the road. That is the point I keep making and I keep getting nonsense back.
What is it that you actually want? How will we function if that happens?

Can you not see that ordinary people are turned against you due,entirely, by what you do?

I am not XR.

However I do applaud their efforts. My understanding is that they do their best to facilitate emergency vehicles.

Which still doesn’t cover the question of what someone should do if they’re in their car, in the middle of a huge traffic jam, with a seriously ill child. @Market1 still hasn’t answered that clearly.

Get on the car roof & hold up a big notice?

And we are going round in circles, I have explained umpteen times ,that me putting DS in car is quicker than phoning an ambulance, that time is of the essence. How can I leave a blind and otherwise disabled person who is having a medical emergency in a car by themselves while I try to seek someone who can sort out his emergency?
Again, it's no point wanting something to change without having a sensible alternative. If you support ER or any of the other pressure groups then at least accept that people are being harmed by their actions and that it's not helping the cause.

But your finger is pointing directly at @loislovesstewie (sorry Lois for tag) having a go at her, while simultaneously giving a pass to the ER senior sorts with a 'meh that's what they gotta do, can't stop em'!

@MichelleScarn , exactly!

I’m not poo ring a finger at anyone or giving anyone a free pass.

The fact is that the climate is changing and we need to respond. Fighting amongst ourselves is pointless.

I absolutely feel for anyone inadvertently caught up in any action (though the tactics have changed now so it’s less likely), but we can’t operate on the basis that we can’t do anything unless it is entirely risk free, in the face of the biggest threat to our whole species and myriad other species.

To be fair, it’s OP @Market1 who’s doing that, but they seem to have disappeared.

*pointing, not poo ring.

NRtFT but thank you OP for your helpful advice about what to do if we are held up by protesters and we experience an Emergency. Speaking to them ‘directly’ or ‘phoning’ is what you recommend.

Could you please share here the name and phone number of the person/code name/office we need to contact please?

Im sure we’d all find it useful to have at hand. Thank you.

This doesn't mean anything at all.

Quoting a post from a similar thread

"@Shiftingparadigm - there are huge doubts about whether changing human behaviour will actually impact significantly on climate patterns - the science has been dangerously simplified for the purpose of public messaging and the masses will always be vulnerable to propaganda. How much attention has, for example, been given to the possible climatic impact of last year's Hunga Tonga volcanic eruption (ejecting enough water vapour into the stratosphere to potentially cause noticeable spikes in temperature over the next few years)? How much thought is given by mainstream media to the possibility that a large proportion of Antarctica's ice melt could be due to underwater volcanic extrusions? Why is there not more honesty about the fact that the rate of wildfires in places like Canada and the US are low compared to historic norms - and that when they do occur, they are more likely to be exacerbated by land mismanagement than by increased CO2 levels? There is no desire to dilute the intensity of the messaging with consideration of alternative and more nuanced discussions - and that will have consequences for the way in which we manage risk as a global society and build-in resilience to cope with significant climatic events in the future.
https://www.amazon.co.uk/Climate-Uncertainty-Risk-

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/4859327-sick-of-being-lectured-about-the-climate-crisis?reply=128230662