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Extinction rebellion protester, ask me anything

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Market1 · 31/07/2023 23:57

I support extinction rebellion protests, ask me anything you like - ( I have a very thick skin, nothing you say will upset me)

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Market1 · 01/08/2023 00:23

Yettyanotherusername2 · 01/08/2023 00:16

Exactly what research shows that your methods are effective?

Genuine question. I support your cause and think you are very brave, but I worry that you're not actually helping.

Thank you

the research is normal opinion polls and surveys. Support for us is well over the tipping point at which politicians and economists pay attention

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DiddyHeck · 01/08/2023 00:23

Market1 · 01/08/2023 00:15

No, never, and I would never agree with that happening, however, the number of people killed by climate change is millions, ( literally MILLIONS) of times higher than the number of people likely to die in a ER protest.

I have been prevented from attending a chemotherapy appointment by an environmental protest ( not ER, a different organisation) and I understand the frustration.

However, I am just one person getting medical treatment, and the problem of environmental damage affects not only the future of billions of people, but also the future of billions of animals and plants as well

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No, never, and I would never agree with that happening, however, the number of people killed by climate change is millions, ( literally MILLIONS) of times higher than the number of people likely to die in a ER protest.

If you don't agree with it, why are you trying to justify it with whataboutery?

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Market1 · 01/08/2023 00:23

user9630721458 · 01/08/2023 00:12

I really appreciate what you do. Takes courage and integrity, and there's nothing more important to campaign for. I can't understand why people don't want a better future for themselves and their families.

Thank you

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Market1 · 01/08/2023 00:24

DiddyHeck · 01/08/2023 00:23

No, never, and I would never agree with that happening, however, the number of people killed by climate change is millions, ( literally MILLIONS) of times higher than the number of people likely to die in a ER protest.

If you don't agree with it, why are you trying to justify it with whataboutery?

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dont know what that means, sorry

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Deathbyfluffy · 01/08/2023 00:25

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What a lovely, charming and useful member of society you sound like.
Have a word with yourself.

WhateverMate · 01/08/2023 00:26

Oh, if you're answering in order OP, you've missed me out Blush

Your earlier post said all research we have indicates we are turning more people towards our cause.

I asked if you could link to it please?

Thanks.

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Market1 · 01/08/2023 00:27

AgentProvocateur · 01/08/2023 00:16

Like @user9630721458 , I admire what you do. I may even join you when I retire. On a global level, there’s no more important cause.

Thank you

we have a lot of retirees, and they are very valuable indeed. In a police action, we do try and protect the younger ones, who's career may be affected by a criminal record.

A lot of people become active after retirement because they have seen so much change in their own life time, I think, and come to understand the issues so much better because of that.

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AutisticLegoLover · 01/08/2023 00:28

What diet do you eat?

MillicentTrilbyHiggins · 01/08/2023 00:28

Are you the XR protester was walking round trafalgar Square topless 2 years ago? (1st September to be exact)
If so you've got a great pair of boobs. Although my poor son didn't know where to look Grin

TeaPotPetPig · 01/08/2023 00:28

I don't really know the difference between ER, Just Stop Oil and Insulate Britain. Are you different, do you use different tactics, have a different kind of person join? Is one of you more radical?

I worry some naive individuals can be manipulated into doing something hurtful or even illegal. Is there a mechanism with the organisation to protect these people from a kind of religious mania/ themselves?

I think I do understand the fear and frustration that motivates people pushing for change and I want change too but is there a better way?

DiddyHeck · 01/08/2023 00:29

Market1 · 01/08/2023 00:24

dont know what that means, sorry

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whataboutery
nounBRITISH

  1. the technique or practice of responding to an accusation or difficult question by making a counter-accusation or raising a different issue.
  2. "all too often, well-intentioned debate descends into whataboutery"

The fact that climate change affects millions, will be of no comfort to the families of those who have suffered due to emergency services being blocked.

Murpe · 01/08/2023 00:30

I thought XR don't do these kind of disruptive activities any longer, though - they put out that statement at the end of last year saying they were going to change tactics towards collaboration and bridge building.

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Market1 · 01/08/2023 00:32

WhateverMate · 01/08/2023 00:26

Oh, if you're answering in order OP, you've missed me out Blush

Your earlier post said all research we have indicates we are turning more people towards our cause.

I asked if you could link to it please?

Thanks.

Look at the normal opinion polls, and surveys such as yougov, and organisations such as that - once you have 15 % support, you will start to impact on government and economic policies, but we have way over that, over 20% normally, and rising. We also have less opposition than you might think, although the opposition can be very vocal.

Basically, huge numbers of people quietly agree with us ( more than 40%), around 20% will say they strongly agree, and around 15% will strongly disagree. I am writing these numbers from memory from the last report I heard.

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Hawkins009 · 01/08/2023 00:32

Market1 · 31/07/2023 23:57

I support extinction rebellion protests, ask me anything you like - ( I have a very thick skin, nothing you say will upset me)

Most people know about the effects of climate change, most people realise its down to big corporations, big industry etc that can develop programs and technology etc to save the planet.

So with that in mind, why bother protesting ?

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Market1 · 01/08/2023 00:33

AutisticLegoLover · 01/08/2023 00:28

What diet do you eat?

I try to be as least damaging as I can be.

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GlitchStitch · 01/08/2023 00:34

Did you agree with XR leaders about the Canning Town tube protest when they admitted it was a big mistake? For me that just showed utter contempt and ignorance, and was the real nail in the coffin for any support towards XR from most people.

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Market1 · 01/08/2023 00:35

Hawkins009 · 01/08/2023 00:32

Most people know about the effects of climate change, most people realise its down to big corporations, big industry etc that can develop programs and technology etc to save the planet.

So with that in mind, why bother protesting ?

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because our protests put pressure on these industries and corporations, and we affect their decision making - and we know we do, as we have people on the boards

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WhateverMate · 01/08/2023 00:35

Market1 · 01/08/2023 00:32

Look at the normal opinion polls, and surveys such as yougov, and organisations such as that - once you have 15 % support, you will start to impact on government and economic policies, but we have way over that, over 20% normally, and rising. We also have less opposition than you might think, although the opposition can be very vocal.

Basically, huge numbers of people quietly agree with us ( more than 40%), around 20% will say they strongly agree, and around 15% will strongly disagree. I am writing these numbers from memory from the last report I heard.

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You don't have a simple link to the research?

Surely there must be one, rather than sending posters all over the internet?

AutisticLegoLover · 01/08/2023 00:35

@Market1 what does "the least damaging" mean?

Hawkins009 · 01/08/2023 00:35

Market1 · 01/08/2023 00:32

Look at the normal opinion polls, and surveys such as yougov, and organisations such as that - once you have 15 % support, you will start to impact on government and economic policies, but we have way over that, over 20% normally, and rising. We also have less opposition than you might think, although the opposition can be very vocal.

Basically, huge numbers of people quietly agree with us ( more than 40%), around 20% will say they strongly agree, and around 15% will strongly disagree. I am writing these numbers from memory from the last report I heard.

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One of the assumptions is that the polls ect will have an effect, yet at the different cabinet meetings etc I wonder if it's a whole different perspectives.

Hawkins009 · 01/08/2023 00:37

Market1 · 01/08/2023 00:35

because our protests put pressure on these industries and corporations, and we affect their decision making - and we know we do, as we have people on the boards

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But then why not work from within those corporations why all the public issues eg kew gardens ect.

Why not conduct your missions stealthily why even have the attention when you can use stealth and covert affairs. ?

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Market1 · 01/08/2023 00:38

TeaPotPetPig · 01/08/2023 00:28

I don't really know the difference between ER, Just Stop Oil and Insulate Britain. Are you different, do you use different tactics, have a different kind of person join? Is one of you more radical?

I worry some naive individuals can be manipulated into doing something hurtful or even illegal. Is there a mechanism with the organisation to protect these people from a kind of religious mania/ themselves?

I think I do understand the fear and frustration that motivates people pushing for change and I want change too but is there a better way?

ER has no membership - anyone can do anything under an ER flag, and if they adhere to the ER principles, then they will get ER legal support

Insulate Britain is the same people, largely, under a different banner with a different set up

Just stop oil I suspect are also some of the same people, but I don't know this group - I have stopped and spoken to then in the street, and told them they were heroes!

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Market1 · 01/08/2023 00:39

Hawkins009 · 01/08/2023 00:37

But then why not work from within those corporations why all the public issues eg kew gardens ect.

Why not conduct your missions stealthily why even have the attention when you can use stealth and covert affairs. ?

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Because it is the fear of public attacks that makes these organisations change their policies

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Hawkins009 · 01/08/2023 00:39

There hardly Hero's when they interfere with emergency services, hospital appointments etc.

BrunoMarzipan · 01/08/2023 00:39

You're very brave posting, but I appreciate it to clarify points.

Where are your t-shirts from, and how do people get to the protests? There is one lady that drives from us (West mids) alone, to join. To start with...