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I converted to Islam AMA.

219 replies

Mvslimah · 21/11/2022 16:43

10 years ago and not for a man

AMA all the difficult questions, I got some time to kill

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Mvslimah · 21/11/2022 19:50

PurpleSky300 · 21/11/2022 19:47

I don't believe the Nicene Creed, or anything concerning miracles, resurrection, substitutionary atonement etc - so I guess I can't call myself a Christian. I certainly don't believe in pits of fire.

Even so, I have an emotional attachment to certain Bible stories, I like the parables of Jesus, I sometimes read Psalms when I am going through difficulties. I read books by liberal Christian writers like Rob Bell and John Spong. There are other names for this - some people call it Jesusism or Jesus atheism, even - but I like 'universalist' because I think it fits. I believe all roads lead to God & all of humanity will be reconciled to God, in the end.

How interesting, thanks for sharing!

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Maybeandfive · 21/11/2022 20:00

Mvslimah · 21/11/2022 18:44

Can you provide the reference you’re talking about please

absolutely not do I find it an argument for being a paedophile

Yes you have been an apologist for paedophilia. You said it was ok for your prophet to have sex with a nine year old as that’s what the ‘community’ did back then.

Sex with a nine year old is paedophilia. Do you deny that? And that has been used by Muslim men throughout the ages to justify sex with children. The British in India made marriage to such young children illegal after a girl died from her internal injuries. They never prosecuted any man though because of the protest and backlash from Muslim and Hindu men arguing that ‘this is what their community did’ . Just as you have argued ‘ that’s what the community did’.

Maybeandfive · 21/11/2022 20:04

Mvslimah · 21/11/2022 18:51

It’s pretty graphic isn’t it! Similar to other religions concept of hell.

it’s meant to be a deterrent.

but it’s not as straightforward as all Muslims go to heaven and everyone else is In hell. People who the message hasn’t reached (properly) will be tested in their graves (as will we all) and if they accept then they go to paradise , and good Christian’s and Jews and Sabians are granted heaven according to the Quran

So it’s ok for people who don’t believe to burn eternally and to cry out for mercy, but there will be no mercy, and have nothing but scalding water to drink and filth ( excrement) to eat?

You believe that is just?

Maybeandfive · 21/11/2022 20:08

And actually, the Bible does not have those graphic descriptions of hell.

Not that I am a Christian either. But on a point of fact, it doesn’t.

Maybeandfive · 21/11/2022 20:18

Sources 66 1-2 and 33.50 ( permitted to rape women enslaved as war booty).

as for po calling such questions ‘goady’. No they aren’t. They are the hard questions OP asked for.

And her answers aren’t good. eternal torture is justified as a deterrent, and by only those baddies who don’t believe in a mono god being eternally tortured. Paedophilia is brushed away as ‘just what people did then.

These aren’t good answers. Because Muhammad was the prophet and the Quran the word of god, so these cultural practices have been used to justify appalling cruelty and barbarity for centuries. And still is.

Mvslimah · 21/11/2022 20:21

Maybeandfive · 21/11/2022 20:00

Yes you have been an apologist for paedophilia. You said it was ok for your prophet to have sex with a nine year old as that’s what the ‘community’ did back then.

Sex with a nine year old is paedophilia. Do you deny that? And that has been used by Muslim men throughout the ages to justify sex with children. The British in India made marriage to such young children illegal after a girl died from her internal injuries. They never prosecuted any man though because of the protest and backlash from Muslim and Hindu men arguing that ‘this is what their community did’ . Just as you have argued ‘ that’s what the community did’.

Erm no, what I said was that this as a criticism of Islam and the prophet saws is relatively recent (20th c) as historically it was never viewed as much of an issue as it was a custom of the people. So it must be viewed in the context of the society in which it happened.

i do deny that Muhammad saws was a paedophile though yes, marriage was so much more than a wedding back then and for the early Muslim community it was state and alliance building. There’s credible evidence to say that he never really had a sexual relationship with his wives, most likely past the initial consummation as none of the wives post Khadija bore children except a Christian wife called Miriam (thus in combination with his children from Khadija make it very unlikely he had fertility issues) and it’s very unlikely that all of his other wives had fertility issues also.

there is no denying though that some really sick in the head individuals have used this to justify their twisted desires, like in the examples you cited. As I said upthread the problem is when people just take these things without historical context. Puberty in that and many others was when adulthood was determined not calendar age (which wasn’t really tracked) we know of course now that people reach puberty at different ages, some start puberty as early as 8/9 and others 14 but it doesn’t equate to adult hood. So obviously it’s hideous by todays standards for an adult male to marry a girl who’s just started puberty

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Mvslimah · 21/11/2022 20:23

Maybeandfive · 21/11/2022 20:04

So it’s ok for people who don’t believe to burn eternally and to cry out for mercy, but there will be no mercy, and have nothing but scalding water to drink and filth ( excrement) to eat?

You believe that is just?

I don’t know who ends up in heaven or hell, it’s not my call to make. In my mind the spheres of hell where there is no mercy are for the worst of humanity like I said, the mass murders,
rapists, dictators etc not just for those who were born into the wrong religion but I don’t know

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Mvslimah · 21/11/2022 20:29

Maybeandfive · 21/11/2022 20:18

Sources 66 1-2 and 33.50 ( permitted to rape women enslaved as war booty).

as for po calling such questions ‘goady’. No they aren’t. They are the hard questions OP asked for.

And her answers aren’t good. eternal torture is justified as a deterrent, and by only those baddies who don’t believe in a mono god being eternally tortured. Paedophilia is brushed away as ‘just what people did then.

These aren’t good answers. Because Muhammad was the prophet and the Quran the word of god, so these cultural practices have been used to justify appalling cruelty and barbarity for centuries. And still is.

Think you have a problem with Muslims… because no answer I could give you will satisfy you.

islam isn’t the only religion that has heaven and hell. Not everything in thr quran and the Islamic tradition is 100% literal somethings whilst being the word of god still are allegory with metaphors etc. The bible references sexual slavery (the concubine of the Levite for one)

all universalisms have been used to oppress and are arguably not in their true spirit. Christianity has, Islam has and even outside or religion socialism has yet their adherents will claim that’s not the true essence of their beliefs. The bible was widely used to Justify slavery

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Mvslimah · 21/11/2022 20:47

Oh and 66:1 is not about rape or sexual slavery it’s about aisha and Hafsa who used to get jealous of zainab so pranked the prophet saws so he’d stop going there

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handbagsandholidays · 21/11/2022 21:33

I'm a huge feminist. Something I learnt about Islam recently was that polygamy in Islam is only allowed if the first wife consents to you having a second. To take a third the first 2 must agree and so forth. Also I didn't know that the other caveat is that you HAVE to treat each of the wives equally including things like how much time you spend with each and how you spend on them etc.

The other thing I was surprised to learn is that for a marriage to be valid in islam, both parties have to give full and free consent which means forced marriages are forbidden! The woman can draw up a contract in which she can make stipulations of the marriage before committing. Seems a lot of the religion had been mixed with south Asian cultural customs over time.

Blueberry111 · 21/11/2022 21:50

SephoraNightmare · 21/11/2022 18:41

@Blueberry111 Respectfully I disagree. There are numerous sources which place her at 6-7 when she married and 9 when it was consummated.

Kindly share some.

Blueberry111 · 21/11/2022 21:55

Maybeandfive · 21/11/2022 18:34

Do you not find this a real argument a real apologist one for paedophilia?
Throughout history girls have died as a result of internal injuries after rape (because that's what it is as a child that age cannot consent) due to these child 'marriages'.
You can't just hand wave this away as cultural relativism.
Some things are just about basic human rights.
Some things are just child abuse.
And what do you make of the passage in Qu'ran where one of the prophets wives is angry with him after she again finds him raping one of his female slaves (again, it is rape as a slave cannot consent) and Allah wades in on Muhammed's side and tells him that Muhammed does not need to deny himself what Allah has permitted to him?

Whoa are you just an islamophobe spreading lies????? There is no verse in the Qur'an saying this. Provide the references you're referring to.

Blueberry111 · 21/11/2022 22:01

JustBecause22 · 21/11/2022 17:50

Also, you religion teaches:

Every one that God admits into the paradise will be married to 72 houries (wives) who are beautiful and virgins, with whom they can have eternal physical satisfaction

This is for the men, clearly. So what do you believe you'll get if you go to Heaven? Are you not worried that this is a very one sided religion when it comes to the sexes?

The reward is hoorain ( I haven't come across 72) which will be pure. there is no concept of gender in heaven so the reward will be for all righteous male or female. I find it funny islamophobes complaining about this verse...who are you guys to decide what reward one should or shouldn't get? First address being righteous, how high the criteria for that is in Islam then talk and discuss about rewards.

Blueberry111 · 21/11/2022 22:06

toffeecrisps · 21/11/2022 18:31

your poor grandma

Just like your poor great grandma...or great great grandmother...or great great great grandma...🤗

MarigoldPetals · 21/11/2022 22:07

I think the point is, what if you go to heaven and have to be one of the women the men get to have sex with for their satisfaction.

Mvslimah · 21/11/2022 22:15

MarigoldPetals · 21/11/2022 22:07

I think the point is, what if you go to heaven and have to be one of the women the men get to have sex with for their satisfaction.

thats not how it works, you’ll always be yourself the hoorain aren’t souls from this world, but you can argue that they stand as an allegory for basically the fulfilment of your every possible desire and whim, same with the alcohol you can drink that won’t give you a hangover, but for me, paradise would be seeing my family and being with my husband without worry (the worries of this world) god willing

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Blueberry111 · 21/11/2022 22:16

MarigoldPetals · 21/11/2022 22:07

I think the point is, what if you go to heaven and have to be one of the women the men get to have sex with for their satisfaction.

Heaven is not like this world. A rich in this world can be rich at the expense of a poor. But in heaven there will be no poor, no victim, no injustice. If you're in heaven you'd be there because of your good deeds. So you wouldn't be 'the women men get to have sex with'. And like I said....there is no concept of gender in heaven...and how do you even know the reward is sex? The reward is something pleasurable...but we don't know what it is exactly.

Mvslimah · 21/11/2022 22:17

handbagsandholidays · 21/11/2022 21:33

I'm a huge feminist. Something I learnt about Islam recently was that polygamy in Islam is only allowed if the first wife consents to you having a second. To take a third the first 2 must agree and so forth. Also I didn't know that the other caveat is that you HAVE to treat each of the wives equally including things like how much time you spend with each and how you spend on them etc.

The other thing I was surprised to learn is that for a marriage to be valid in islam, both parties have to give full and free consent which means forced marriages are forbidden! The woman can draw up a contract in which she can make stipulations of the marriage before committing. Seems a lot of the religion had been mixed with south Asian cultural customs over time.

Yes and if you don’t treat them identically then on the day of judgment the scales shall be weighted against you by that amount. And then there’s fact there is an ayah later that says you’ll never be able to treat them equally even if you want to, seems pretty clear to me

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Weefreetiffany · 21/11/2022 22:53

I know this is supposed to be you educating, but I hope you will also take away from this that the way you talk about Christianity comes across as derogatory and poorly informed, it might be prudent to reflect on that and the responses you’ve had correcting some of the things you have claimed.

I also feel saying “I don’t know it’s not up to
me to decide” or that there’s nothing extreme about a swimsuit etc, when asked for your opinion in a AMA is a bit of a cop out. Just answer what’s in your heart, no need to dodge and slide.

my question is, do you think that women who don’t dress modestly deserve to be treated badly or abused?

اللهم بارك

Mvslimah · 21/11/2022 23:01

Weefreetiffany · 21/11/2022 22:53

I know this is supposed to be you educating, but I hope you will also take away from this that the way you talk about Christianity comes across as derogatory and poorly informed, it might be prudent to reflect on that and the responses you’ve had correcting some of the things you have claimed.

I also feel saying “I don’t know it’s not up to
me to decide” or that there’s nothing extreme about a swimsuit etc, when asked for your opinion in a AMA is a bit of a cop out. Just answer what’s in your heart, no need to dodge and slide.

my question is, do you think that women who don’t dress modestly deserve to be treated badly or abused?

اللهم بارك

No i actually know a fair amount about Christianity thanks, my UG is in theology. I’ve not made a derogatory comment about Christianity, in fact look at the vile things that have been said about Islam and I’ve just had hey, these problematic traditions aren’t just a ‘Muslim thing’ they can be found in all the Middle Eastern religions.

also me saying, there is nothing extreme about a swim suit IS my opinion, what is extreme about a swimsuit fgs?! No one gets triggered about wetsuits or rash vest, or sun safe suits. Me saying, I don’t get to decide heaven or hell is also just a fact! Lol. That’s how I conceive of heaven and hell, it’s not my call, I don’t know what’s in someone’s heart. That IS my opinion

oh bloody hell! Do I think people who don’t dress modestly deserve any sort punishment? No of course not, how silly. Nor do they deserve to be cat called or sexually harassed because no one does

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genericeric5 · 21/11/2022 23:37

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toffeecrisps · 21/11/2022 23:46

Blueberry111 · 21/11/2022 22:06

Just like your poor great grandma...or great great grandmother...or great great great grandma...🤗

if anyone them got married at 12 then yes, poor them

don't know why you're smiling at the idea of child marriage

Purplepouch · 22/11/2022 00:14

Do your daughters have to cover their heads and if so from what age?

I see younger and younger girls wearing headscarves and I find it awful. Are young girls expressly identified to be a cause of sexual temptation to men?!

I can’t get over the sexism in Islam. Seeing women swathed in black clothes from head to toe, even in a heatwave, while men swan around in comfortable, western clothes. How would you defend this?

Freespirit12 · 22/11/2022 00:18

I have a question for you.

What are your thoughts on Sufism? ,/ Mysticism?

Do you find it going against the shariah or as part of it.

Thankyou

CamillasToe · 22/11/2022 00:43

Do you read the Quran in Arabic?