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I'm a trans man and local trans activist, AMA

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Sideris · 05/01/2020 07:10

Hi there, folks.

As the title says, I'm here to respond to questions in good nature.

For a bit of background information, I'm 30 years old, a trans activist out of necessity (being the first 'out' trans person in numerous spaces, which didn't have any rules or regulations before, but have since been commended for ease of process by some new trans members or trans members who have been referred by me), have been 'passing' for about three years, now.

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BercowsFlamingoFlownSouth · 07/01/2020 09:36

I honestly don't think I've ever read such strong delusions in all my life. I'd feel sorry for you OP if you weren't harming women with your beliefs. The fact that you refuse to see the harm to women because you are so wrapped up in your own needs is very narcissistic. It wouldn't surprise me if in future that trans is classified as a subset of NPD.

Sideris · 07/01/2020 09:37

Or is it just if a trans person’s hormones are interrupted that they could hurt each other? Only then?

You're on antidepressants. Five people around you are also on antidepressants. You and one other person have those antidepressants taken away for negligible reasons. You believe the others have the right to good health, but are also suffering from withdrawal, your body is physically deteriorating without the antidepressants and you have no idea of the results of long-term denial. Is there any chance whatsoever that you may try to take someone elses' antidepressants, who can't give it willingly as this means their antidepressants will likely be taken, too, outside the fact they can't skip doseage?

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YasssKween · 07/01/2020 09:39

No, I wouldn't take the other persons anti depressants because doing so isn't in line with my moral code and the shame I would feel stealing from someone in as desperate a situation as me would make me worse, not better.

I have epilepsy. I couldn't physically bring myself to steal the medication I use from someone else if I ran out. It's my inbuilt, gut instinct to not just be concerned about myself

Gertrudesgarden · 07/01/2020 09:40

Do you think there may be a teeny, time possibility that women and men in prison may also be on antidepressants? Hmmm?

You're not the only depressed group in the world, you know.

furrytoebean · 07/01/2020 09:40

I did read your parentheses it was this
with an obvious clausule for those who form an immediate threat to others' safety,

How exactly would that be decided? Now we decide someone's a threat because they've already committed a crime, it's actually very difficult to tell if they'll do it again.
If we are only able to keep people incarcerated that pose an 'immediate threat to others safety' then it'll be very difficult to manage.

Would it be done on seriousness of offence or how often you commit that offence. Would we end up in a situation where someone who has committed murder would walk away free because they are unlikely to do it again but a prolific shoplifter would be locked up because they reoffend so often.
Also how would we define someone's safety, does a flasher pose a threat to someone's safety?

The reason I didn't mention it is because it's such an unworkable solution it didn't bear mentioning.

Also the whole thing was just misdirection because you were unable to answer why you think that when an issue is about women's safety or dignity then it's a one off structural problem but trans people's safety and dignity should be taken seriously.

Hugtheduggee · 07/01/2020 09:40

Add people have explained to you, prisoners wouldn't keep medication in their cells, it would be administered to them when needed. And prescribed medication would not be withheld for violations. That would be weird and also likely against the human rights act

PityParty4one · 07/01/2020 09:41

you can hit the Trans Menace To Society button again.

Please stop belittling and dismissing genuine concerns this way.

We know who the menace to society is and we have safeguards and boundaries on place to reduce the risks yet you believe that we should no longer recognise risks as it goes against some issues belief. However any risk to the trans community must be dealt with by any means possible regardless of the impact on other vulnerable members of society.

It's very double standards and this is why women are fighting so hard to keep female spaces female because it seem nobody gives a shit what happens to women as long as a trans person is ok.

Sideris · 07/01/2020 09:41

I have epilepsy. I couldn't physically bring myself to steal the medication I use from someone else if I ran out. It's my inbuilt, gut instinct to not just be concerned about myself

Your moral code is the same as mine but that doesn't mean the situation isn't changed when your epilepsy medication is taken away and you start having several seizures over the course of a week.

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BercowsFlamingoFlownSouth · 07/01/2020 09:42

I have worked with prison nurses. Medication is given out by nursing staff and prisoners are supervised to make sure they take it. This is because medication is good currency in prison. Anyone found to be hiding medication, selling it, trading it or otherwise will have their medication withheld. Medication is not stopped on a whim. Nurses have a code of practice to adhere to.

Gertrudesgarden · 07/01/2020 09:43

But I will set your mind at rest, OP. Prisoners don't keep meds in their cell. The doses are controlled by staff, and distributed at the right times, taken in front of staff. At least, that's how it worked in the facility my cousin spent three years in. So. Next excuse?

furrytoebean · 07/01/2020 09:44

Surely if this became an issue they would just administer the drugs daily to each patient like they do in high security wards, or for inmates that struggle with taking medication or are suicidal?

SirVixofVixHall · 07/01/2020 09:44

There was a twitter thread a month or so ago, by a female detransitioner. She said that she had hated anything to do with femaleness, that it was a complete rejection of womanhood. I found this interesting as I have found someone like Stephen Whittle baffling. I can see it here in you though OP. The blunt refusal to empathise with women re single sex spaces etc, is a complete rejection of the lives of women.
It makes sense to me that a traumatic reaction to sexual assault might be to reject that female body , to blame the female body, rather than the male aggressor, and to see being perceived as male as a power leap. To feel safe among men when seen as male.
I am also interested in the inward control of someone with anorexia, vs the need for outward control of many people with gender dysphoria.

Hugtheduggee · 07/01/2020 09:44

I'm going to say this slowly and in capitals

A PRISON WILL NOT WITHHOLD PRESCRIBED MEDICATION

A PRISONER WILL NOT KEEP MEDICATION IN THEIR CELLS BUT IT IS TAKEN UNDER SUPERVISION.

there is no basis for your concerns. None.

YasssKween · 07/01/2020 09:46

Your moral code is the same as mine but that doesn't mean the situation isn't changed when your epilepsy medication is taken away and you start having several seizures over the course of a week.

You're literally just telling me how I feel and what I would do.

I wouldn't dare tell you how you feel and what I would do.

I know the terrifying experience of having seizures and would rather have them than know I'm the reason someone else would have a week like that.

I've given more empathy to you on this thread than you have to me. I've explicitly said I fully support your transition and think it's important you were about to have it so you could be happy.

Would really appreciate an answer re the fact I did acknowledge your parentheses and answered specifically based on the context they gave.

That question was:

Or someone who knowingly drove under the influence and killed a family but now has their license removed and have stopped drinking? They no longer pose an immediate threat. Do they get released?

What if my rapist had a stroke and lost many of his abilities, so we let him out because he doesn't then pose an immediate threat?

Challenging your train of thinking isn't the trans menace to society button, it's a train of thinking you can also challenge which is what a mutual conversation allows.

OldCrone · 07/01/2020 09:47

'Evidence' also hardly seems a concern of people making up fiction about how GRC reforms will lead to a stream of non-trans men changing their birth certificate to enter women's prisons, as they'd maybe have ONE example over the entire globe

When Ireland brought in self ID a few years ago, it was understood that prisoners would be allocated to a prison according to their birth sex. Recently it has become apparent that this is not what is actually happening and male born people are going to women's prisons.

One of Scotland's most violent offenders identifies as transgender. I wonder if he'll be granted a GRC if Scotland changes to self ID as they are currently proposing.

YasssKween · 07/01/2020 09:47

Typo. I meant:

I wouldn't dare tell you how you feel and what you would do.

furrytoebean · 07/01/2020 09:55

I'm not saying OP believes all these things but these beliefs tend to go together.

Any male can decide to be a woman and should be treat as such just on their day so.

Women who question any male who says he is a woman is a bigot.

Sex work is an empowering choice and selling female bodies is good for women.

Women who question this is a swerf and probably a prude.

Prisons should be abolished and we should replace it with a system where offenders and victims work together.

Women who disagree are probably racist.

It's such a clear attack and erosion of women's rights and boundaries and laughably the people who believe these things often call themselves feminists. No wonder so many beardy mras are jumping all over it.

vivariumvivariumsvivaria · 07/01/2020 09:56

Old Crone that is an interesting case - Tiffany Scott is in the male wing of a prison because her behaviour is unmanageable in the female wing.

The female wing has Paris Green, a trans woman convicted of a particularly nasty torture and murder. When there was a female prison, Paris was there, until inmates kept getting shagged and Paris was moved backwards and forwards depending on who's interests were being considered.

Tiffany Scott is violent, but, not a murderer and has no record of sexual assault AFAIK. Paris Green has a track record, yet Paris is housed with smaller, weaker and slower inmates.

Go figure.

Winesalot · 07/01/2020 10:00

Thanks for answering.

Are you saying that you only believe that

A) transgender people will only pose a threat to anyone else when their medication is taken away.

That is how I read your reply. That all other times transgender prisons pose no threat to other prisoners. (Please note that I don’t believe anyone’s medication should be taken away unless it is under strict medical supervision and recommendation).

B) you feel that in the UK, a transgender prison or segregated wings for those identifying as different from their biological sex would allow meds to be stopped when a single sex prison would not. Because the staff would act independently to the law that governs all prisons. (I acknowledge that you believe labels of male and female and the concept of sex are arbitrary and biology should talk about people with different reproductive systems.)

C) having had many friends on antidepressants, this violence and abuse seems a very reaction to coming off antidepressants. Do you mean a more potent cocktail of medication?

wrongsideofhistorymyarse · 07/01/2020 10:05

People with a cervix is usually preferred

Preferred by whom?

People with cervixes who aren't women, some women without cervixes.

The only people with cervixes are women, no matter how they personally identify.

Winesalot · 07/01/2020 10:06

Sorry that should be

‘ Very violent’ reaction

OldCrone · 07/01/2020 10:12

Tiffany Scott is in the male wing of a prison because her behaviour is unmanageable in the female wing

Tiffany Scott is violent, but, not a murderer and has no record of sexual assault AFAIK.

Tiffany Scott, formerly known as Andrew Burns, has had no medication or surgery and still has a fully functioning male body. He demanded that strip searches be carried out by female guards. I hope you weren't implying that this individual should have any right to be in a female prison.

www.womenarehuman.com/non-transitioning-male-transgender-inmate-demands-female-prison-guards-perform-strip-search/

vivariumvivariumsvivaria · 07/01/2020 10:16

No, I'm saying the opposite.

I'm saying that Paris Green is exactly the same, worse in the scale of offending, yet Paris is in the female wing DESPITE having sex with inmates. There were no charges against Paris over the sexual activity, but, then, if I was in a cell with a violent male bodied person I don't suppose I'd press for sexual assault charges either.

It makes no sense. If Tiffany is too dangerous to be moved from the male wing, why on earth is Paris safe to be with women?

vivariumvivariumsvivaria · 07/01/2020 10:21

Also, for those who don't know the cases - Tiffany has also been called Mighty Almighty and Obi Wan Kenobe.

The person is clearly a danger, but, what Tiffany is not is a murderer who has sex with vulnerable inmates (AFAIK).

It's interesting that the trans lobby don't take up Tiffany's case. Surely, Tiffany's at risk in the same way as Paris is if they were to be in the male side of prison? Surely Tiffany is being badly treated?

Tiffany is exactly the same example as Karen White. There is no way of spinning it, how on earth they managed that with Paris Green is beyond me. That person is a danger too.

Louulz · 07/01/2020 10:22

What do you think of Blaire White?