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NHS Fife tries to silence nurse - Sandie Peggie vs NHS Fife Health Board and Dr Beth Upton - thread #3

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nauticant · 05/02/2025 12:27

Sandie Peggie, a nurse at Victoria Hospital in Kirkcaldy (VH), has brought claims in the employment tribunal against her employer; Fife Health Board (the Board) and another employee, Dr B Upton. Ms Peggie’s claims are of sexual harassment, harassment related to a protected belief, indirect discrimination and victimisation. Dr Upton claims to be a transwoman, that is observed as male at birth but asserting a female gender identity.

The Employment Tribunal hearing started on Monday 3 January 2025 and is expected to continue for 2 weeks.

Access to view the hearing remotely can be obtained by sending an email request to [email protected] headed Public Access Request (Peggie v Fife Health Board) 4104864/2024 and requesting access.

Thread 1: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5186317-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse

Thread 2: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5267591-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-thread-2

The hearing is being live tweeted by https://x.com/tribunaltweets and there's additional information here: https://tribunaltweets.substack.com/p/peggie-vs-fife-health-board-and-dr. This also has threadreaderapp archives of live-tweeting of the sessions of the hearing for those who can't follow on Twitter, for example: archive.is/xkSxy.

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Mayaisashero · 05/02/2025 14:27

JR's fake laugh when the Judge (I think, sound terrible) says US law really has no relevance here is very grating.

Mmmnotsure · 05/02/2025 14:27

Judge saying witness allowed on basis of presenting facts, not skills.

TLDR: Judge - I'm not an expert on foreign law (paraphrasing, wtf are we talking about the law in Connecticut?).

ILikeDungs · 05/02/2025 14:27

She's been told off so moves on

Boiledbeetle · 05/02/2025 14:26

Judge I'm concerned missed next bit

DemeraraAbyss · 05/02/2025 14:26

Mayaisashero · 05/02/2025 14:21

Maya is saying - I think - that JR has taken an article which misrepresents an academic paper based on US states and is trying to use this to argue why a bloke should have access to women's changing in Scottish hospitals?

It is like the Scottish government’s schools guidance that takes stats from a few self-selecting homeless adults and their friends in a US city as a reason why Scottish children must be affirmed in a false belief.

Boiledbeetle · 05/02/2025 14:26

JR would prefer to plough ahead

Chrysanthemum5 · 05/02/2025 14:26

Oh dear I think JR is getting a bit of a schooling here.

Boiledbeetle · 05/02/2025 14:26

Judge not to sure what the intent is

PoshCoffee · 05/02/2025 14:25

Oof is really SR really saying MF is not skilled? Sound is bad so I could have misheard

Boiledbeetle · 05/02/2025 14:25

Judge not particularly impressed i don't think

Mayaisashero · 05/02/2025 14:25

JR you might IDENTIFY as believing as Maya not being an expert but Maya is sure looking like one to everyone else.

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nauticant · 05/02/2025 14:25

Is this the chair telling Russell that attacking Maya Forstater with a series of hot takes rather than having an expert basis is not a good way to carry on?

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ILikeDungs · 05/02/2025 14:25

JR "this witness is not an expert" HA!

HousesofHolbein · 05/02/2025 14:25

Omg

She is dissing Maya - the NERVE

Boiledbeetle · 05/02/2025 14:25

JR is arguing her case to continue her track of questions

Mmmnotsure · 05/02/2025 14:25

Judge (can hardly hear) says JR is straying and doesn't think it would be much help to the panel.

JR digging about MF not a skilled witness.

Mayaisashero · 05/02/2025 14:24

When she asked about Maya's degrees I would have loved Maya to say 'I identify as a biologist'. I realise the J may have frowned upon that but it's a lot less batshit (and Maya is showing that to be the case) than a man identifying as a woman.

ILikeDungs · 05/02/2025 14:24

Think J may be saying to JR that's enough now?

Boiledbeetle · 05/02/2025 14:24

Judge is flagging up his concerns that this is not much help

ChimpanzeeThatMonkeyNews · 05/02/2025 14:23

Judge quibbling line of questioning with JR.
He's leaning back in his chair, so the sound is poor.

Bannedontherun · 05/02/2025 14:23

JR has discovered the Maya is an expert 😂

Boiledbeetle · 05/02/2025 14:23

Judge ta lking but sat way back in his seat so can't hear

ILikeDungs · 05/02/2025 14:23

can't hear J at all

Mayaisashero · 05/02/2025 14:23

I can't hear but I bloody hope this isn't the Judge weighing in to help JR.

Boiledbeetle · 05/02/2025 14:22

Mayaisashero · 05/02/2025 14:21

Maya is saying - I think - that JR has taken an article which misrepresents an academic paper based on US states and is trying to use this to argue why a bloke should have access to women's changing in Scottish hospitals?

Seems so

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