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Ruth Hunt is leaving Stonewall

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Whatisthisfuckery · 21/02/2019 16:21

Just seen this on Twitter.

twitter.com/ruth_hunt/status/1098604129394585601?s=21

I’d like to think her successor will be less homophobic. We shall see, although I’m not holding out much hope.

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LordProfFekkoThePenguinPhD · 28/02/2019 19:44

Hallelujah. I can’t see that being the end of it though.

R0wantrees · 28/02/2019 19:18

James Kirkup July 2018 twitter thread:

"Some facts about the events that preceded the Government statement here that the coming consultation on the Gender Recognition Act will be narrowly drawn and not affect the Equality Act’s single sex exemptions.

I offer these facts because some are claiming “there was never any question of removing/amending EA exceptions.” Those claims are either mistaken or dishonest.

August 2015
Stonewall submission to the Women & Equalities Select Committee says MPs should amend the EA to
“remove exemptions, such as access to single-sex spaces”

Women and Equalities Select Committee Inquiry on Transgender Equality
We have submitted evidence to the Women and Equalities Select Committee on Transgender Equality. Our submission was based on the views we listened to and heard during our consultation with more than …
www.stonewall.org.uk/women-and-equalities-select-committee-inquiry-transgender-equality

Jan 2016
Women & Equalities Committee says EA should be amended so that

“occupational requirements provision and / or the single-sex / separate services provision shall not apply”.

July 2016
Govt response to W&E Committee says: “we agree with the principle of this recommendation” on EA exemptions and seeks evidence for “future policy discussions”

July 2017
Govt promises GRA reform “ as part of a broad consultation of the legal system that underpins gender transition.”

New Action to Promote LGBT Equality
The Government announces new proposals to streamline and de-medicalise the process for changing gender and launches a nationwide LGBT survey
www.gov.uk/government/news/new-action-to-promote-lgbt-equality
July 2017
Stonewall commits to “advocate for the removal” of EA provisions allowing sex-based discrimination.

June 2018
Govt says:

“We are clear that we have no intention of amending the Equality Act 2010, the legislation that allows for single sex spaces.”

In sum: MPs and others told govt to amend/remove Equality Act single-sex exemptions. Govt considered doing so. Then govt ruled it out. / ends"

links and screenshots in document:
threadreaderapp.com/thread/1004635839480164352.html?refreshed=yes

Ruth Hunt is leaving Stonewall
R0wantrees · 28/02/2019 10:53

Prominant trans activists, many LGBT+ organisations and charities have emboldened individuals on twitter to take such extreme positions towards anyone who does not fully capitulate to trans ideology.

Media and Social Media platforms have enabled both the continuing censorship and smearing of those raising serious concerns for Safeguarding, Women's Rights, fair process whilst publishing & promoting unquestioningly the propaganda of transactivism.

Politicians have been derelict in their duties.

Needmoresleep · 28/02/2019 10:41

I also like "Come for the thread. Stay for the replies."

The replies perhaps illustrate why so many people refused to appear on the programme. I am not sure the TRA posters on this Twitter thread come across very well. Pile ons to thoughtful posts by respected documentary producers, or indeed Martina Navratilova, with plenty of followers, will presumably only help spread the word that there is something very wrong. Thank you Ollie Lambert for joining others with their heads above the parapet.

Needmoresleep · 28/02/2019 10:28

Olly Lambert's rather cryptic quote for the day:

"Quote for the day: He who fights monsters should see to it that in the process he does not become a monster. For when you look long into the abyss, the abyss looks long into you."

CharlesChickens · 28/02/2019 10:23

Bloody hell that twitter thread , I hadn’t seen that. I agree with above “ IT IS A FAILURE OF DUTY OF CARE, AND HAS MASSIVE IMPLICATIONS FOR SAFEGUARDING, CHILD PROTECTION AND CHARITY GOVERNANCE “ .
I am still shocked almost daily, at how powerful this homophobic, misogynistic and deeply concerning agenda has become. The way people are so quick to latch on to Transactivism and see it as a good thing, on a par with gay rights, the lack of thought by politicians, the way the left in particular have so swiftly thrown women’s rights under a bus.

TimeLady · 27/02/2019 13:30

That twitter thread from Olly Lambert is a really important read.

Thank you for posting it in full, R0

R0wantrees · 27/02/2019 13:25

If Tavistock professionals are challenging their own service's response and highlighting Safeguarding issues with regards failure to fully understand children's complex needs I doubt Dr Webberley's continued affirmation only approach will be permitted by GMC.

R0wantrees · 27/02/2019 13:23

I think the response from representatives of Stonewall, Mermaids and Maria Miller MP are the key ones requiring scrutiny.

They all have specific responsibilities.

SomeEnchantedEaring · 27/02/2019 13:12

Wow, RO. I hadn't seen that tweet. I wonder if Dr W's willingness to take part in the Panorama programme was because it was on the BBC and the assumption was that it would be sympathetic to the cause.

R0wantrees · 27/02/2019 12:58

Olly Lambert's twitter response to Graham Linehan's request 'I'd like to collect some anecdotes about when and why you first became involved in the debate about gender ideology/activism'

(OL was the Director of 'Trans Kids, Its Time to Talk' documentary)

"It was probably the moment I realised that not a single charity, journalist, support group or doctor who supported the affirmation of trans kids would take part in a documentary that wanted to ask valid questions about the treatment of …trans kids. THREAD 1/13

At the start of this, I’d undoubtedly have called myself an ally, and still do in a different way. Live and let live, give people the lives and freedoms they want, let kids live their true lives. /2

The film “Trans Kids: It’s Time to Talk” sought to ask if if the medication and affirmation of trans kids was always the right path. I’d expected passionate and articulate charities & campaign groups would want to take part and speak about how this process helps. /3

And yet in almost 20 years of making films, I’d never encountered such a systematic refusal to debate something so patently important. Every single "pro trans kids" group refused to speak, and I had to ask why. /4

Stonewall refused, saying that as the film included “gender critical” voices it would be ‘denying the existence of trans people’. This was laughable. Interviews with trans people make up nearly half the film. /5

Britain’s only private “gender GP” Helen Webberley said she’d take part on condition that Stephanie Davies-Arai and @David @DavidTCDavies were not included. Amazed, we asked if there were others she didn’t want us to talk to. She said she’d need to check the “little list” /6

Maria Miller MP didn’t have even ten minutes free in the following 3 months (!) to be interviewed about the Women’s & Equalities Select Committee (which she chairs), adding that she was no longer involved in the trans debate. (But… /7

...On the day Maria Miller wrote this to me, Stonewall sent an invitation to MPs inviting them to a “panel event on trans equality, held in partnership with Maria Miller MP…”) /8

Paris Lees pulled out of two meetings, both times on the day they were supposed to happen, before saying she didn’t have time to take part. /9

Mermaids had various reasons, falsely stating that the author & psychotherapist presenter @stellaomalley3 was “unqualified” and “confused”. They also wouldn’t take part because “the film will be one sided” (their refusal to take part only serving to make that more likely). /10

Lily Madigan refused because there was “nothing to debate”. /11

Jake Graf wouldn’t even speak on the phone. Owen Jones ignored all emails and requests via an intermediary. Jane Fae said no. Gendered Intelligence never replied to emails. And on and on. /12

The only organisation who I felt gave a valid reason was the Tavistock. After a long meeting with Polly Carmichael (who was thoughtful, nuanced and recognised the complexity) they ultimately declined saying they feared their words would be “weaponised” by all sides. /13

So my question remains: if a treatment is so right, if your position is so unarguably good, why not talk about it? Feeling that you’re so correct you can’t be disagreed with is a really, really bad look. /14

Anyway. We made the film. You can see it here:
vimeo.com/304866757 "

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current thread collating responses to the same question from Mumsnet members:
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3518546-help-a-brother-out

discussion about the documentary:
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3430608-Stella-OMalley-Trans-Kids-Its-Time-To-Talk

Its not just a 'bad look' is a failure of Duty of Care and has massive implications for Safeguarding, Chilld Protection and Charity governance

EmpressAdultHumanFemale · 26/02/2019 17:01

It made me wonder how TLC is going to cover it all

Unless they quietly cancel the show.

FlyingOink · 26/02/2019 15:18

Circles within circles
It all definitely needs some sunlight.

FlyingOink · 26/02/2019 15:14

This is an organisation directly setting out to lobby the government and others to remove female rights.

It should not be receiving govt or public sector money.

Lumene is right.

We definitely need some GC lawyers, and a running legal fund. So much of this needs to be fought in court.
I'll happily pay up.

R0wantrees · 26/02/2019 15:13

Stonewall and Diva co-sponsored the full page advert in The Metro October 2018

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3397047-Full-page-advert-in-Metro#prettyPhoto

FeedMeBooks · 26/02/2019 15:08

Anthony Watson and Linda Riley had a short lived business venture. Circles within circles.
beta.companieshouse.gov.uk/company/09795353/officers

Floomph · 26/02/2019 14:50

I was thinking last night about Jazz Jennings. I got sucked into read a Kiwi Farms thread about Jazz (and actually despite the nature of the site it was full of people saying how horrified they were on Jazz's behalf and what a crime it was that this kid had been pushed down this path)

And I was thinking that however devastating it is that this kid has had this botched surgery and faces years of complications, in some ways it's going to make a difference. Obviously more than anything I wish an 18 year old kid hadn't undergone genital mutilation and was facing a normal life but Jazz has had every privilege if you look at things from a TRA lens - lots of affirmation and support, early 'treatment,' the funds to pay for the best possible operation. And yet here they are with serious complications and problems ahead of them. And those complications might one day be life-threatening. It made me wonder how TLC is going to cover it all (at the moment they are deflecting from all that with the story of a 'boyfriend') but the reality is going to be so awful.

I just think it will make people stop and think. Marci Bowers was being questioned by Jazz whether the 3rd surgery could still give Jazz a 'beautiful vagina' and Marci's very sober response was 'it's all about compromise from here on in' And Jazz was in tears as a result. The kid is 18. These changes are irreversible. That's got to shock some people into scrutinizing this movement that much more.

R0wantrees · 26/02/2019 14:43

Dawn Butler MP Shadow Minister for Women & Equalities

Dawn Butler is firmly and apparently unquestioningly allied with TRAs

With Michael Cashman (one of the Stonewall founders who is resolute about its commitment to the trans rights agenda)
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3220833-Frankly-disturbing-tweet-from-Michael-Cashman
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3193464-Another-lefty-misogynist-twat

(With Munroe Bergdorf leading 2019 London 'Women's March:
twitter.com/DawnButlerBrent/status/1086641623172296706

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3512177-Julia-Long-asking-Munro-Bergdorf-about-child-exploitation

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3486548-Not-all-menstruators-are-women-This-madness-has-to-stop-Julie-Bindel

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3483242-Womens-March-London-says-trans-voices-should-be-elevated-over-womens-voices

With Linda Riley /DIVA / Hannah & Jake Graf (Mermaids)
twitter.com/DIVAmagazine/status/1091300537788698624
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3442065-Divas-Linda-Riley-in-Private-Eye

relevent threads:
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3487958-Womans-Place-UK-statement-LGBT-Labour-witch-hunts

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3211732-WPUK-meet-with-Dawn-Butler-Names-released-to-Pink-News

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3211692-Womans-Place-meeting-with-Dawn-Butler-Doxxed-by-Pink-News

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3399452-Dawn-Butler-on-the-GRA

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3080329-Dawn-Butler-on-the-Daily-Politics-programme

Dawn Butler was the Keynote speaker at Jane Fae's 'We're Still Here' TRA conference:
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/a3398737-We-re-Still-Here-Conference-8th-September-A-report-from-the-inside

Fae's article in The Independent which included allegations about 'Mumsnetters' being radicalised by 'the far right' discussed:

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3518111-mumsnetdescribed-as-a-recruiting-ground-for-the-far-right-appealing-to-women

www.independent.co.uk/voices/far-right-feminism-womens-rights-racism-mumsnet-ukip-tommy-robinson-a8793451.html

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Popchyk · 26/02/2019 14:34

Just reposting my post from upthread.

Anthony Watson paid £14K for Dawn Butler (Labour MP and Shadow Women and Equalities Minister) to attend an awards ceremony in LA. For nine days.

order-order.com/2018/05/29/dawn-butlers-14000-la-jolly-paid-for-by-blairite-guru/

So, yes, they know they've got Labour behind them.

thatdamnwoman · 26/02/2019 14:31

Director of a company registered in a tax haven using his own money to shore up an increasingly controversial charity that offers almost nothing to 90% of the people it says it stands for (the LGBs) and is actually campaigning and making money out of the one strand (the Ts that a great many LGBs didn't want included) that threatens the rights of the lesbians it claims to represent but fails to listen to...

Got it.

EatCashews · 26/02/2019 14:02

Director of a company registered in a tax haven? For the many not the few, ah, ok ...

FeedMeBooks · 26/02/2019 13:51

^^We know we have Labour behind this one, so will simply do our best to get them elected. As I tell the community “we have always lost more battles than we have won, but we only ever need to win the big one”.

Another key influencer as lgbt advisor to Labour. Has an IT background and looks to be the director of a company registered in Bermuda. Just donated £50k to Stonewall.
twitter.com/AnthonyWatson/status/1099956505019846656

R0wantrees · 26/02/2019 13:34

And Ruth Hunt going, can probably be considered a good first sign that the pressure is building.

It could be a sign that she wishes a change from the pressures which have been building for sometime both within and without or any number of things.
As others have said, its a much much wider issue than one person.

EatCashews · 26/02/2019 13:31

Which is why it is so important to keep talking, keep writing to MPs, keep commenting, keep observing and recording ...

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